68 Responses to Super Rugby 2017: Western Force vs Chiefs – Live Game Article

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  cane on 22 April 2017 at 2:31 pm

  @ grootblousmile:
  Wonder how may Wallabies .
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  cane on 22 April 2017 at 2:32 pm

  The War to end all Wars.

  It seems not so.
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  grootblousmile on 22 April 2017 at 2:36 pm

  60 @ cane:
  WW1 was terrible… it was trench warfare… every inch had to be fought for… blood spilt for every inch!

  War in those days was something else… not like nowadays when troop movements are so fast, ground so quickly penetrated and forces subdued and effectively taken out of the reconing by air strikes and strategic bombing.

  Those days it was attritional war, these days it is debilitating war…
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  grootblousmile on 22 April 2017 at 2:49 pm

  61 @ cane:
  Here are some figures:

  Australia:

  Although many rugby players were killed during the war, a large number were also injured or crippled, leading to their departure from the game. For example, the Australia and British Isles player Tom Richards had his back and shoulders damaged by a bomb blast and suffered respiratory problems the rest of his life, from gas attacks he had experienced on the Western Front, leading to his death from TB in 1935.

  10 Australians killed:

  Harold Wesley George, died on 10 May 1915, Aged 28.
  Bryan Desmond Hughes MC, died on 6 August 1918, Aged 32
  Hubert A Jones, died on 9 July 1918, Aged 28.
  Edward Larkin, died on 25 April 1915, Aged 34
  George Pugh, died on 5 September 1916, Aged 26
  Blair Swannell, 25 April 1915, Aged 39
  William Tasker, died on 9 August 1918, Aged 26.
  Fred Thompson, killed in action on 29 May 1915, Aged 25.
  Jack Verge, died on 8 September 1915, Aged 35.
  Clarrie Wallach MC, died on 22 April 1918, Aged 28.

  New Zealand:

  13 Former New Zealand representatives – known as All Blacks – lost their lives in the First World War, with 3 (possibly 4) of them dying in the Battle of Messines.

  James Alexander Steenson Baird (“Jim Baird”), died on 7 June 1917 in France (probably at Messines) , aged 23
  Robert Stanley Black (“Bobby Black”), died on 21 September 1916 at the Somme, aged 23
  Henry Dewar (“Norkey Dewar”), died on 9 August 1915 at Gallipoli, aged 33
  Ernest Henry Dodd (“Ernie Dodd”), died on 11 September 1918 at Havrincourt, aged 38
  Albert Joseph Downing (“Doolan Downing”), died on 8 August 1915 at Gallipoli, aged 28
  David Gallaher (“Dave Gallaher”), died on 4 October 1917 at Passchendaele, aged 41
  Eric Tristram Harper, died on 30 April 1918 in Palestine, aged 40
  James McNeece (“Jim McNeece”), died on 21 June 1917 at Messines, aged 31
  Alexander James Ridland (“Jimmy Ridland”), died on 5 November 1918 in France, aged 36
  George Maurice Victor Sellars, died on 7 June 1917 at Messines, aged 31
  Reginald Taylor (“Reg Taylor”), died on 20 June 1917 at Messines, aged 28
  Hubert Sydney Turtill (“Jum” Turtill), died on 9 April 1918 in France, aged 38
  Frank Reginald Wilson, died on 19 September 1916 at the Somme, aged 31

  South Africa:

  South Africa lost 5 international Rugby players.

  Adam Burdette – 4 November 1918 (36)
  Sep Ledger – 13 April 1917 (26)
  Toby Moll – 14 July 1916 (26)
  Jacky Morkel – 15 May 1916 (25)
  Tommy Thompson – 20 June 1916 (29)
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  cane on 22 April 2017 at 3:00 pm

  @ grootblousmile:
  Great research Groot.
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  grootblousmile on 22 April 2017 at 3:02 pm

  65 @ cane:
  You should see the list of Scotland players and England players…. phweeeeew!

  Scotland:

  The following is a list of Scottish Rugby Union footballers killed in World War I, 31 of them:

  Cecil Halliday Abercrombie, died on 31 May 1916 aged 30
  David McLaren Bain, died on 3 June 1915, aged 24
  David Bedell-Sivright (“Darkie Bedell-Sivright”), died on 5 September 1915, aged 35
  Patrick Charles Bentley Blair, died on 6 July 1915 aged 24
  John Argentine Campbell, died on 1 December 1917, aged 40
  William Campbell Church, died on 28 June 1915, aged 32
  Walter Michael Dickson, died on 26 September 1915, aged 30
  John Henry Dods, died on 31 December 1915, aged 40
  Walter Torrie Forrest, died on 19 April 1917, aged 36
  Rowland Fraser, died on 1 July 1916, aged 26
  William Elphinstone Gordon, died on 30 August 1918, aged 25
  James Young Milne Henderson, died on 31 July 1917, aged 26
  David Dickie Howie (“Dave Howie”), died on 19 January 1916, aged 27
  James Laidlaw Huggan, died on 16 September 1914, aged 25
  William Ramsay Hutchison, died on 22 March 1918, aged 29
  George A.W. Lamond, died on 25 February 1918, aged 39
  Eric Milroy, (“Puss Milroy”) died on 18 July 1916 aged 28
  Thomas Arthur Nelson, died on 9 April 1917, aged 40
  James Pearson, died on 22 May 1915, aged 26
  Lewis Robertson, died on 3 November 1914, aged 31
  James Ross, died on 31 October 1914, aged 34
  Andrew Ross, died on 6 April 1916, aged 36
  Ronald Francis Simson, died on 14 September 1914, aged 24
  Stephen Sebastian Leonard Steyn, died on 8 December 1917, aged 28
  Walter Riddell Sutherland (“Wattie Suddie”), died on 4 October 1918, aged 27
  Frederick Harding Turner, died on 10 January 1915, aged 26
  Albert Luvian Wade, died on 28 April 1917, aged 32
  William Middleton Wallace, died on 22 August 1915, aged 22
  John George Will, died on 25 March 1917, aged 24
  John Skinner Wilson, died on 31 May 1916, aged 32
  Eric Templeton Young, died on 28 June 1915, aged 23

  England:

  England had over 26 players killed in the conflict. This was the second highest number of casualties, after Scotland. However, many of the Scotland players were “Anglos”, i.e. based, born or playing in the England’s domestic leagues for teams such as London Scottish FC or universities, so their loss affected English rugby too.

  Henry Brougham is sometimes listed, because he died of war wounds. However, since he died in 1923, after the war had ended, he is also often omitted.

  Harry Alexander; died on 17 October 1915 Aged 35
  Henry Berry; died on 9 May 1915, Aged 32
  Arthur James Dingle; died on 22 August 1915, Aged 23
  George Eric Burroughs Dobbs, died on 17 June 1917, Aged 32
  Leonard Haigh, died on 6 August 1916 Aged 29
  Reginald Harry Myburgh Hands, (“Reggie Hands”) died on 20 April 1918, Aged 29. Hands was a South African who played cricket for South Africa and rugby for England.
  Arthur Leyland Harrison VC; died on 23 April 1918, Aged 32
  Harold Augustus Hodges; died on 24 March 1918, Aged 32 14
  Rupert Edward Inglis; died on 18 September 1916, Aged 53
  Percy Dale Kendall; died on 21 January 1915, Aged 34
  John Abbott King; died on 9 August 1916, Aged 32
  Ronald Owen Lagden; died on 3 March 1915, Aged 26
  Douglas Lambert; died on 13 October 1915, Aged 32
  Alfred Frederick Maynard; died on 13 November 1916, Aged 22
  Edgar Roberts Mobbs, (“Mobbsy”) died on 29 July 1917, Aged 37
  William Moore Bell Nanson; died on 4 June 1915, Aged 34
  Francis Eckley Oakeley; died on 25 November 1914, Aged 23
  Robert Pillman; died on 9 July 1916, Aged 23 17
  Ronald William Poulton-Palmer, (“Ronnie Poulton”) died on 5 May 1915, Aged 25
  John Edward Raphael, died on 11 June 1917, Aged 35
  Reginald Oscar Schwarz MC, (“Reggie Schwarz”) died on 18 November 1918, Aged 43
  Lancelot Andrew Noel Slocock; died on 9 August 1918, Aged 29
  Francis Nathaniel Tarr; died on 18 July 1915, Aged 27
  Alexander Findlater Todd, died on 21 April 1915, Aged 41
  James Henry Digby Watson; died on 15 October 1914, Aged 24
  Charles Edward Wilson; died 17 September 1914, Aged 43
  Arthur James Wilson, died on 1 July 1917, Aged 29
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  cane on 22 April 2017 at 3:20 pm

  @ grootblousmile:
  France and NZ play for the Gallaher Trophy.
  An All Black of Irish Extraction on your list above.
  A casualty of WW1…………………………….Obviously because he is listed on your post above.

  And not just an AB. but our Captain as well. one of Our greats.

  France never forgets.
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  cane on 22 April 2017 at 3:30 pm

  Goodnight groot.
  And thanks for the education.