Heyneke Meyer
’n Basiese kontrak van R 5 miljoen per jaar, aansporingsbonusse uitgesluit.
Dís glo die vergoeding waartoe die Suid-Afrikaanse Rugbyunie (SARU) ingestem het in die nuwe kontrak met Heyneke Meyer, die Springbok-afrigter.
Volgens bronne het Meyer al voor die Wêreldbeker-toernooi ’n kontrak onderteken om die span vir nog 4 seisoene, tot in 2019, af te rig.
Oregan Hoskins, SARU se president en voorsitter van die uitvoerende raad, het Vrydag benadruk dat die finale besluit by die Algemene Raad sal lê. Elke provinsiale rugbyunie word in die Algemene Raad verteenwoordig.
Die kwessie gaan na verwagting vroeg in Desember ter tafel gelê word.
Uit verskillende oorde is verneem Meyer kry aansporingsbonusse vir die verowering van die Wêreldbeker, ’n wenpersentasie van meer as 60% en ’n 2de plek op die wêreldranglys.
Die kontrakkwessie hang al weke lank soos ’n wolk oor Suid-Afrikaanse rugby, met SARU wat dit nog nie onomwonde in die openbaar ontken het nie.
Selfs indien die Algemene Raad Meyer se heraanstelling afkeur, bly die vraag waarom ’n kontrak nog voor die afskop van die toernooi met hom gesluit is.
Daar is ook sprake dat elke lid van die Uitvoerende Raad nie daarin geken is nie.
Dis veral pertinent, gegewe die Springbokke se vertoning die afgelope jaar. Hulle het teen onder meer Ierland, Wallis, Argentinië en die aspoestertjie-span, Japan, verloor.
Meyer was boonop in die transformasie-spervuur met sy besluit om Jesse Kriel voor die verloortoets teen Argentinië bo Lwazi Mvovo op vleuel te kies. Die beperkte geleenthede wat spelers soos Siya Kolisi, Rudy Paige en Lwazi Mvovo in die toernooi gekry het, sal daardie slapende honde opnuut wakker maak.
Daar was egter die afgelope week uit spelersgeledere steun vir Meyer. Fourie du Preez het gesê ’n Springbok-afrigter se termyn behoort van 2 jaar voor tot 2 jaar ná die toernooi te strek. Dáárom, meen hy, moet Meyer in die tuig bly.
John Mitchell, gewese breier van die All Blacks en Goue Leeus, se (waarskynlik omstrede) voorstel is dat Meyer nie afgedank word nie, maar eerder ’n mede-hoofafrigter gegee word.
Só kan Meyer se ervaring en kennis doeltreffend benut word, sê hy.
“Daar word gegons oor die moontlikheid van ’n buitelandse kandidaat as afrigter, maar ek was nog nooit werklik ’n voorstander daarvan nie.
“’n Land soos Suid-Afrika het ’n unieke rugbykultuur en ek dink ’n plaaslike afrigter verstaan dit net baie beter.”
Die Springbokke sal wel kan baat vind by ’n buitelandse invloed, sê Mitchell.
Alan Zondagh, gewese afrigter van die Westelike Provinsie en direkteur van rugby van die Engelse rugbyreus Saracens, sê so iets moedig ’n hoofafrigter dalk aan om minder af te rig.
“Deesdae word spesialisafrigters so gereeld betrek dat hulle die meeste van die afrigting doen. Spesialiste moet gebruik word om ’n spesifieke haakplek te hanteer.”
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If the wider SA (rugby) fraternity allows SARU to get away with appointing a proven failure as coach for another 4 years in such an non- transparent manner then they deserve 4 more years of humiliation.
The opinion of a Meyer disciple like Fourie du Preez on the tenure of coaches is totally irrelevant in this matter.
@ robzim:
If Meyer is reappointed then he must have incriminating photos or something…but seriously… why would they want to reappoint a bloke who has suffered a loss against Japan…If the coach of Nz B team were to lose to them, he wouldn’t have a job…and that’s no disrespect to Japan…it’s the way it goes overhere…
2 @ Te Rangatira:
Morning Rangatira. First off all well done to your brilliant team. Best team in the world deseved that world cup for sure. Hope you celebrated well into the morning. Your team demolished Oz.
On Meyer you spot on he should be fired never ever given another 4 years as coach. He is one of our worst ever so why give him another 4 years? New Zealand would never do that nor any other country so why he is getting another 4 years makes the mind boggle. So far to me he has been limited with his coaching does not have enough to even think of plan B if we doing it wrong on the day. He simply has to go. This is a rugby mad country like New Zealand we the only 2 real rugby crazy countries in the world we take our rugby serious here. Just about every rugby supporter wants this no rurby brain coach gone as our coach. Jake won us a world cup and got fired??? This coach loses to teams we have never lost too and gets another 4 years???? Crazy i tell you. Saru have no clue. If he does become our coah for another 4 years he better surround himself with rugby brains and I mean New Zealand Forward and backwar coach and every other coach that he needs to get us playing like we know we can with our suprerb pool of players we have here.
Good to get a view from someone from NZ that love and respect their rugby as much as we do. So thanks mate for your views on our useless coach. If he loves the Boks so much he should just step down and give it to a better coach. I heard somewhere that Plumtree would be interested in coaching the Boks. I would take him with open arms. He has a rugby brain on him and one of the best Forward coaches as well.
1 @ robzim:
Howzit Rob how you doing? Hope well. And I agree with your post.
@ Puma:
Hi Puma… nice to “see” you here again. I am just fine and hope the same goes for you.
We are certainly on the same wavelength re Heinecke Meyer.. lets hope sanity prevails eventually.
At least the rugby is now over for a while… i do not know about you but I can do with a break.
@ Puma:
Hi Puma…. it’s been awhile. We love our Rugby, you, me, and everyone who follows it in our respective countries.
How did it get to this point for the Bok. I sussed Meyer out from day one when he said the player is an extension of me on the field…It sounds bad now and it sounded bad then.
Yet the team I was most wary of in the WC were the Bok…. If Wales had of beaten Oz and the Bok played Oz in the quarters…the Bok would have smashed them… The only team that can live with the Bok onslaught is the Abs. The Abs took away the Bok weapons, lineout drive through poaching Bok ball and territorial advantage, rendered the Bok impotent but still only come away with a two point victory. If Meyer had done things right from the get go and resisted the temptation to go back to those players and tactics he knew in 2007…. then the Bok might have had something else in their arsenal bedded down to unleash…but not to be….Do you persevere with Meyer and hope he has the Rugby acumen to admit mistakes say like Henry after 2007 & 2009?
@ robzim:
@ robzim:
@ Te Rangatira:
Why on earth would HM give up a nice job where he isn’t held accountable in the same way previous coaches were?
He has such a good thing going, it’s not even funny.
Anyone who doesn’t like him or agree with his coaching is deemed as “haters”
Why would he surround himself with knowledgable assistant coaches when his current crop of yes men is more than happy to agree with his coaching philosophy and every thing he says and does.
He will probably appoint FdP as some sort of assistant coach in the near future.
Unfortunately, it just shows that saru and HM perceive all Bok supporters to be idiots who have no idea of what is happening.
To his merry band of supporters, enjoy him for the next 4 years if sanity doesn’t prevail. You deserve each other.
@ nortie:
Hey Nortie….getting fired up and good on you. It isn’t funny, but I don’t think it is money that is the root of all evil in Meyer’s case…. more like pride… a deadly sin…
@ nortie:
@ 7
According to HM he only wants to serve his country and make the people proud.
Instead of making people proud I think he is alienating more and more supporters from the team. We will most likely see a rise in the number of “Capesaders” this year and I fail to see how that can “serve the country”.
But easy money makes a skin very thick.
Te Rangatira wrote:
I never saw that comment by HM. It is very scary. The Boks were doomed from day 1.
@ nortie:
Congrats on your ‘Bru win Norts, ons noem jou van nou af “Meneer”!
I wasn’t going to catch you farkers up front, hence I had to take a bit of a gamble & bet on the Aussies, but dropped 13 places on R-T’s pool & three places on an Auto Pool one that I was leading at the time in the process…
Still, I had fun this WC though, won 1000 Nkandla $ in my work’s pool, came second (tied first) in another work one & won an Aussie Pool that I gatecrashed at the start of the tournament.
We won’t talk about the Coca Cola, Klipdrift & Aussie fans ones though…
It seems that the important part we need to take cogniscence of is that Heyneke Meyer’s re-appointment has to be vetted by the SARU General Council, which will happen early December.
Pity one does not have insight into what the apparently re-signed contract says, whether it was made on the suspensive condition that it has to be vetted by the General Council 1st.
I take it a performance review will happen before then… and I suppose a look behind the scenes will be taken about alternative appointments.
To my mind a general look has to be taken on ALL the Assistant Coaches too and at the same time as Meyer’s future is decided, their futures should come under the scope too.
@ grootblousmile:
Why would they offer him a renewal before the WC… up to 2019. Saru are hopeless…There is a meeting with the Saru Council who are independent of those who offered the contract deal? If by chance Meyer doesn’t come through this vetting procedure then what are the contingencies?…. Methinks they will persevere with Meyer but try to cut his contract to two years….
BrumbiesBoy walked into a bar & the barman said, “Why the long face”?
@ BrumbiesBoy:
that bar
13 @ Te Rangatira:
Yeah, you know it’s very easy to lay blame only on Heyneke Meyer, but the real and deeper problem in South Africa is the total way in which our rugby is run by SARU, the SARU Exco and our very cumbersome SARU General Council.
Deeper issues should be addressed first and primarily, like Central Contracting, getting the Super Rugby Franchises and even lower down sides like the Currie Cup and Under 20 and Under 19 sides to all play a very new and South African way… and the coming 2016 Super Rugby season is a great place to start (with 4 Brand new Super Rugby coaches at the Toyota Cheetahs, Vodacom Bulls, DHL Stormers and Southern Kings and with a further new Assistant Coach [Robert du Preez snr] at the Cell C Sharks).
Business principles lack seriously in the whole SARU environment!
No clear coaching succession structures exist for the Springboks, SA Under 20, SA Under 19 and the Super Rugby Franchises! It is a total shambles! No such shit in New Zealand… we already know Wayne Smith can step into Steve Hansen’s shoes… and there are another plethera of coaches inside New Zealand who could do it as well… on top of it New Zealand would never, ever consider appointing a foreign coach to coach the All Blacks… it just is’nt ON!
The amateur and co-protective as well as over-the-top structure of the SARU General Council also needs to be done away with, if you ask me!
Then, when those very critical matters are resolved one could look at the Springbok coaching personnel – from Heyneke Meyer down, including his Assistant coaches.
I wrote last week, I think, about exactly who was available in SA to take over a National coaching job… and the cupboards are freegin bare, I tell you!
I do not think a world powerhouse of rugby, and South Africa still is one, should entertain the thought of an outside coach… not even now that the cupboards are bare!
So, if I was the General Council I would only approve Heyneke Meyer’s appointment for 2 years, like you suggest… but then SARU needs to take the bull by the horns and reform / transform / empower themselves with all the better business principles and stuctures and central contracting, to lay the pathway to future Springbok success… under whatever coach they appoint after 2017!
Fixing a full-fuckup with half measures will just result in us having this same discussion 4 years down the drag… and lamenting how kak the next coach is / was….
– The pathway must be clear.
– The replacements must be groomed.
– The South African Super Rugby Franchises must perform.
– The new game plan overall structures must be cemented and South Africa must embrace a far more total and balanced game approach.
Once this foundation is laid, then we have a real and realistic chance at fenominal success!
South Africa does not need to and should not just try to blindly copy the New Zealand blueprint, we need to take some serious notice out of the New Zealand book and make our own blueprint.
14 @ BrumbiesBoy:
A Horse has a bloody long face anyway!
@ grootblousmile:
And the blerrie Scotsman wouldn’t even buy me a drink!
In fact he wouldn’t buy anyone a drink…
18 @ BrumbiesBoy:
Stingy bugger!
Kick him in the goolies!
Dit is seker nou algemeen bekend dat ek ‘n groot voorstander is dat ‘n nuwe afrigter en afrigtingspan aangestel moet word.
Stem saam met Tassies wat daar geskryf het op die WB finaal draad, dit is een ding om HM se kop te eis, maar die beledigings en verbitterde veldtog aan die ander kant teen enige HM gedagte is tragies.
Wie die nuwe afrigtingspan moet wees, is natuurlik ‘n groot vraag, want ‘n klomp van die ghurus en grootste eksperts wat kritiek teen Meyer baie uitbasuin, is natuurlik nie beskikbaar nie, soos Nic Mellet en John Mitchell.
Dalk is hulle ook skuldig aan dieselfde kwaal as wat die anti-Meyerites HM van beskuldig – hulle maak te lekka cheap geldjies daar in die ss studio, hoekom nou deel wees van die oplossing vir ons verdeelde land wat beide politiek en sport betref ?
Lekkerder voor die kameras in die gemakstoel.
Ja, mens kan HM van baie dinge aankla (slegte spankeuses en gebrek aan verskillende wedstrydplanne), maar hy is ‘n opregte vegter en is bereid om hopelik reg te stel waar hy verbrou het. Met die noodwendige aftrede van ‘n paar van sy staatmakers, gaan dit hom dwing om nuut te dink, sou hy aanbly.
Ek het gedink iemand soos Ackers sal dalk goed wees, maar as ek sien hoe HM se ‘afrikaner mentaliteit’ en konserwatisme (geloof) beledig en bespot word, dan dink ek Ackers moet ver ver wegbly. Hy is nog baie erger as HM wat sy geloof en kultuur betref, hy sal nie eers ‘n jaar hou voordat hy ook op die ashoop beland hier nie.
Vind dit heel ironies, dat die ergste kritiek teen Meyer kom vanuit die suide van ons land. Daardie plek wat nou al vir 20 jaar sonder ‘n ordentlike beker sit. Maar daar is baie geduld en verskonings vir daardie geploeter jaar in en jaar uit in die super kompetisie. Ons moet so elke nou en dan hoor ‘ons het darem onder AC al ‘n paar keer die ….. konferensiebeker gewen !’ Maar ‘n derde plek teen seker die beste AB span ooit, en teen die Aussies wat seker hul beste span in baie jare het, word as pateties beskou ?
Maar belangriker, ek het nêrens naastenby enige sulke sterk beledigings en verbitterheid teenoor AC en vorige Stormers coaches gelees, as die soort die afgelope tyd teen HM en alles waarvoor hy staan nie.
Ja-nee, ook geen wonder ons ou landjie gaan op in vlamme nie, ons kan nie wag vir nog ‘n geleentheid om nog iemand te brand nie.
En ja Nortjie, net soos enige kritiek teen HM nie beteken ‘haat’ nie, so beteken enige begrip vir HM nié dat ek of ons ‘Meyeriete’ is wat nie sy groot blapse raaksien nie. Jy is ongelukkig verblind in jou bitterheid teen HM, dit klink amper asof jy verlig en bly is dat ons nie die finaal gehaal het nie ?
Gaan kyk gerus op die Bulle se amptelike webblad, daar is definitief geen fanatieke ywer om HM as Bokke of Bulle afrigter nou te verdedig of te behou of weer te bekom nie. Ek dink by die meeste Bulle ondersteuners is daar diepe teleurstelling dat HM nie kon aanpas en verander nie, maar haatlik gaan ons nie raak teenoor ons eie mense nie, dit help nie om die probleem op te los nie.
Daar is my mening, ek hebt gesegt !
I am not a Meyer fan at all, but we may be a bit harsh on him. He showed some bravery against NZ and Australia in the Rugby Championship. SA played some scintillating rugby, and losing to both in the final stages of each match. Had those results gone SA’s way, we could well have had a different nation lifting Old Bill on Saturday.
But whoever SARU appoints as the coach will have to have a serious look at the personnel he has at his disposal. Obviously there will be new faces due to the retirement of some old stalwarts. The coach will have to decide on a new game plan, and then see if the remaining incumbents are able to play to his new game plan. Interesting times ahead.
However, as several have said, SARU is in dire need of a shake up. There just are too many skeletons and mandarins in SARU for it to be effective at the moment.
BTW, when asked whether the Lions style of rugby is the blueprint for the Bokke, Johan Ackermann said that the Lions style of play is not a just a style but a culture. And he has had a few years to develop that culture, including a year in wilderness out of Super Rugby. A good example to see the truth in this is the Bulls Currie Cup campaign. They started off brilliantly, but after 2 losses, the players reverted back to the old Bulls style of play, and did not look as good in the latter part of the season as they did in the earlier part.
I think that whoever coaches must have as non negotiables in his contract the following performance clauses:
1) A 60% win ratio in the first year, 70% in the second year and 80% in the following 2 years.
2) An overall win percentage of 60% vs NZ, and 80% vs Australia.
3) A no 1 ranking in world rugby in year 3 and 4.
4) World Cup performance: Reaching the Final
5) Transformation (this is SA and unavoidable) according to SARU’s set targets.
6) Succession planning in terms of coaching. The incumbent coach must have someone who is capable of stepping in to the coaching role with immediate notice (This must apply to his assistants as well) if the incumbent is incapacitated for any reason and for any length of time, and is unable to continue as coach.
BrumbiesBoy wrote:
It’s because you should have been there long before him anyway and you should have been the one buying the drinks
@ Ben-die-Bul:
Ben, ek hoop dis not maar die laaste wat ek or HM gain skryf.
Hey gaan we’re die Bokke afrig, men’s kon seen toe by sy 31 kids dat fit n man is wat verseker is van sy job, tweedens, die feit dat die Bulle voortgegaan het on Nolis a an te stel as SR afrigter beteken Bulle het geweet he is nie beskikbaar vir Bulle nie en derdens, en men’s belangrikste, die Rapport het klaar daaroor berig, en ons almal wet daar is green geheime in SA rugby nie, as die Rapport it’s skryf dan is sit feite.
Wat ek wil se is dat HM se geploeter nie SARU se skuld is nie, hulle het hom die job gegee en by kon kies wie by wou, of die speler afgetree was of oorsee gespeel het, maak nie saak nie, hulle het hom geback.
As SARU hom nog 20 Jaarsveld wil gee, moet hulle maar so maak, gaan my nie meer pla nie. Of die Bokke else game verloor of stampkar rugby speel of wat ook al hulle wil doen, gaan my ook nie meer pla nie.
Ek is nie verlig dat ons nie die finaal gemaak het nie, n blinde ou kon sien ons wou dit nie maak nie.
Meyer kan nou maar lekker aanploeter vir die die volgende hoeveel jaar ookal SARU hom voor wil betaal en die wat hom ondersteun kan so hard skreeu vir hom soos hulle wil, maar Dan moet hulle nie huil as ons weer vir 4 jaar geen RC beker wen nie.
Sterkte met Meyer verder aan die spits van SA rugby, en geniet hom.
@ Bullscot:
The saddest part is that we’ll never know what would’ve/could’ve happened if we’d been awarded the scrum instead; the victory margin could well have been greater…
20 @ Ben-die-Bul:
Cheers!
@ BrumbiesBoy:
Have you recovered from that PK the scotsman gave you when you went into THE bar? 😆
@ MacroPolo:
He missed! I ducked & Craig Joubert was standing behind me…
22 @ Lion4ever:
That is some seriously tough contractual conditions, and surely something no coach could ever realistically achieve until we have 3-4 teams that can realistically challenge for Super Rugby honours. Also we would need a coach every year or two, because for the more than a decade we have been a 60-70% team.
@ BrumbiesBoy:
I am sure he touched you and made everyone onside 😉
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