Wallabies (19) 29 / 15 (9) Los Pumas (Final Score)
The Australian Wallabies and Argentinian Los Pumas did battle in a Semifinal at the 2015 Rugby World Cup at
Twickenham Stadium, London, England at 18:00 SA Time (17:00 BST, 16:00 GMT, 13:00 Arg Time, Monday 03:00 AEDT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & CSN on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Wallabies:
- Penalties – Bernard Foley (1)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Rob Simmons (1), Adam Ashley-Cooper (3)
- Conversions – Bernard Foley (3)
Los Pumas:
- Penalties – Nicolas Sanchez (5)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Teams:
Australian Wallabies |
Argentinian Los Pumas |
| 25 October at 18:00 SA Time | |
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Expected weather: Cloudy with some sunshine at times. A high of 13°C with a slight breeze.
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Assistant Referees: Jaco Peyper (South Africa), George Clancy (Ireland)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)
Well done Wallabies. Should be an interesting final.
Vrystaat wrote:
True, to us maybe.
FdP has also pretty much admitted that yesterday was his last game, notwithstanding that he is the Bok captain for the WC.
They will probably play all the reserves and fringe players as well.
@ nortie:
The best thing Meyer could do, win or lose is to play the team prepared for the next 4 years, it will also win over some people.
Trevor
Strauss
Malherbe
Eben
PSDT
Kolisi
Alberts
Duane
Paige
Lambie
Lwazi
De Allende
Serfontein
Habana
Kriel
but you and I both know, he will probably play the same team that played today… give or take a few injuries.
@ MacroPolo:
It will be interesting to see who is standing after yesterday.
The “team for the future” you gave looks fine, but the worry is the team the Argies have is almost younger than the Boks.
They are preparing well for 2019
I hope Habana manages to score a try next week, will be nice if he can break the record
@ nortie:
Younger than this team? no way.
@ nortie:
The Abs will have a younger team than the Bok next year…maybe… Sam Cane…Ardie Savea….ioane bros…Fekitoa… Tuipuluto…
Te Rangatira wrote:
Yep, I agree.
Meyer is pulling a con by heaping praise on the youngsters and how brilliant and young they will still be in 2019…guess SARU is stupid enough to fall for it and believe him and reappoint him till then.
Fact is, all sides will have brilliant youngsters, AB will still unearth another couple we don’t enough know about yet.
@ nortie:
Meyer will strangle the life out of any promising young player as he has strangled the life out of the Boks over the last 4 years years.
@ robzim:
Yep, I see his stock line lately when asked about his future at the Boks is ” to serve in any way he can”
Didn’t realize it’s like the army or Goverment. If we thought playing 2007 rugby in 2015 was outdated, imagine how stupid we will look playing 2007 rugby in 2019
At least Keo gets it right
The Springboks should not be applauded for a brave defeat against the All Blacks, writes MARK KEOHANE in Business Day.
The Springboks have been hailed for their bravery and character because of a refusal to stay down each time the rugby acumen, accuracy and skill of New Zealand’s attack wobbled the Bok defence but never emphatically broke it down.
Emotionally, South Africans expressed their pride in those warriors who wore green and gold. So many bemoaned a lost opportunity and took comfort that two, and not 22, points separated the two teams at the final whistle.
South Africa has become the Wales of rugby. Coming second is applauded. Coming second is accepted as a moral victory if the players bleed, cry and continue to get up after every knock-down.
Analysis is never a consideration and the South African rugby media were consistent in rating the Boks’ defeat seven from 10.
‘So close’ screamed headlines. But it was not close at all, when defining a champion and a pretender who refuses to accept that coming second in a contest of two makes them the loser.
The effort rated eight, the bravery 10 and the rugby four or five.
Defence wins World Cup play-off matches. Ask the All Blacks: they missed three tackles out of 86 in 81 minutes. The Boks missed 20 out of 151.
The All Blacks, since the opening match of the 2011 World Cup, have lost three Tests in 53. They’ve dismantled every team on occasion but they’ve also won ugly, with late drop goals, sensational tryline defence when five points would be the beating of them, and they’ve done it in seemingly impossible situations.
New Zealand’s defence in the second half against the Boks was the equal of their attack against France in the 62-13 quarter-final romp.
The All Blacks, adapting their approach to one field position and not ball in hand, played skilled and intelligent rugby.
When the big moments came veterans Richie McCaw and Dan Carter delivered the big plays. World Cup play-offs are decided on big moments. The All Blacks, as it has been every time they have played the Boks in Heyneke Meyer’s tenure have finished strongly and beaten the Boks through skill and tries, without ever compromising defence.
The New Zealanders play with passion; the Boks play with a pained desperation that is interpreted as passion. It’s manic and never sustainable for 80 minutes.
The pattern each time has been the same. The Boks find an emotional trigger that defies logic for an hour and then when the well runs dry, they offer nothing by way of skill or attack.
The All Blacks, tactically, win the rights to the battlefield and in this specific four-year World Cup cycle, they won the war at Twickenham, which finally means they have won more World Cup knockout play-off matches than the Boks, who in three knockout play-offs against the All Blacks over a period of 20 years, have never scored a try.
The All Blacks in the last two wins have scored five. They have a defence and an attack. We think we have a defence but it’s a street fighter mentality that being a champ means bleeding and taking a beating, but never staying down.
The All Blacks continue to show that being the best means being able to defend and attack.
The All Blacks won the gainline collision 53-25, dominated field position 67 to 33 and beat 20 defenders on attack, as opposed to the paltry three of the Boks.
Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer blamed a failure to adapt to the wet weather in the second half, despite a half-time lead of 12-7 and a one-man advantage for the first eight minutes of the second half.
He didn’t mention that the players he selected to add impact were a liability, that the pre-determined Bok substitutions added nothing to the match situation and that the Boks in the previous seven Tests against the All Blacks had learned nothing from the six defeats.
Meyer’s selections, game-plan approach and winning return against the world’s best in four years has produced continued failure.
There should be no reward for coming second in a contest of two and a street fighter’s courage should never be confused for a rugby team’s failure.
The Boks, as men, fronted as men but offered little by way of rugby.
The rugby effort was more four or five from 10 whereas the courage was 10 from 10. The courage must be applauded but not at the expense of a failed World Cup campaign that will always be remembered for the one in which Japan beat the Boks more than one in which the All Blacks beat the Boks for the seventh time in the last eight meetings and for the 39th time in the last 54 Tests since 1992.
The rugby of the Boks was a failure and instead of the reward of patriotic applause for bravery, there should be a robust and rational Saru review in which there is a consequence to the coach and players who failed the rugby exam seven times out of eight against the All Blacks.
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/det…-was-a-failure
@ nortie:
> “At least Keo gets it right”
Yes, that’s a pretty clear-eyed assessment. I was going to say I hope Meyer reads it, but I doubt whether he’d get the point … the man seems to be in deep denial about where the Boks are, and how they got there. To put the matter in terms of one of Meyer’s cliched metaphors: I doubt whether this particular piece of coal is going to turn into a diamond, no matter how much pressure he’s under.
nortie wrote:
Dead right there Norts,
I have no problem whatsoever with the locals supporting the underdogs as that is the way the boerewors bends & the same would happen in SA.
However, the constant booing & heckling with anything that went the Aussies way smacked of bad sportmanship & showed their lack-of-breeding IMO.
And for those who don’t believe me go back to the game between the Brave Blossoms & the Springboks & you’ll see what I mean.
I’m so glad those pompous Poms got given the carrot at home.
@ Vrystaat:
😀
Sometimes what he thinks is a piece of coal is actually just a fossilized turd
@ BrumbiesBoy:
It certainly sounded like it. Guess they will all be supporting the kiwis this weekend, seeing as Oz was partly to blame for Eng not making it through
Marco
Thanks buddy!
I was disappointed that the assistant ref did not pick up the forward pass that led to the try!
If it was it would have been the boks in the final.
@ Wallabie:
I’ll second you on that one, mate!
“There are none so blind as those that will not see,” Mr Clancy.
The pass was flat, not forward.
Even if it was disallowed do we honestly believe the Ab’s wouldn’t just have stepped up a slight gear and done enough to win the game?
Boks are not in the same class as them, can manage to hang tough, but without the SuperSport director they struggled to find the edge needed to win
Boks have themselves to blame for playing a very bad game on the day.
It actually says alot about the team, and maybe even something about the AB’s that we managed to get so close.
bad kicking, bad decision making,
Habana had a good tournament until saturday. then, when he was supposed to be one of the experienced cool headed guys on the field – he runs around like a lunatic. making numerous rookie mistakes.. in fact,, going out of his way to fukit up.
We could’ve won this game if our execution of the exact same plan was done 50% better.
HM said it a thousand times… if we do (did) what we want alot better, we would’ve been playing in the final next week.
nortie… a flat pass.. sure … the loopy flat pass?
surely it could’ve been referred. The only angle they ever shown was the one from behind, surely mr cctv x 50 could find another angle to objectively show us how flat it was.
but typically…. the controversy is avoided by avoiding the topic altogether. out of sight out of mind.
it would’ve been a different game if ab’s went into the break 12-0?
the constant chat of mccaw in barnes’s ear. seriously. how long are we going to see that type influence being swallowed hook line and sinker.
same old same.
the victor reverse penalty… borderline, marginal. that was the turning point in the game.
and maybe carter’s drop.
having said all that. congrats NZ. you got away with another one.
shooter wrote:
They do seem to get away with a lot…by my count it’s now 49 times they got away out of their last 52 tests or something.
The team that deserves to be in the final is there, Boks in this year alone lost more than the AB’s have in the last how many years.
@ shooter:
> “We could’ve won this game if our execution of the exact same plan was done 50% better.”
Yes, and I could’ve been a rich man if I was not such a lazy bastard;-) “What might have been” gets you nowhere… leave it to Wales’ supporters.
> “Boks have themselves to blame for playing a very bad game on the day.”
The problem is not that they simply played “a very bad game on the day”. The problem is that they’ve been losing against the ABs quite consistently for quite some time. Unless they start doing things differently, chances are that the trend will continue. They’re unlikely to start doing things differently as long as every loss is explained away with arguments like “we didn’t execute the game plan well enough on the day”.
142. yes. they do.. and they get away with it. nowhere did i say they’re not a good team.
point is… we shouldn’t let them get away with wins against us, at least, that often.
143…. the point is we need to get our heads checked. nothing is being explained away.
i’m saying that there is truth in what HM is saying.
NZ can play a far more accurate game because they execute better. whatever their game plan is, they are better rounded to make it happen.
Players at Springbok level should not be kicking useless kicks. ex: if/ when they kick, what excuses are there that they do it badly? they know the game. they know what is expected. they are capable. they just do not do it properly, consistently enough.
missing their support runners. missing tackles. wonderfully well they did defend and did many things well.
if they execute the way they themselves would expect, not not on a 40% error ratio… then maybe we would win more than 60% of the games we play
They do seem to get away with a lot…by my count it’s now 49 times they got away out of their last 52 tests or something.
by your count? really, are you the counter?
we lost the last 7/8 against them
i’m saying they scraped out a win and got away with the win… in at least 3 of those. concerning and true that they did.
still doesn’t change what i’m saying.
WE let them get out of situations…. in the other games, where we were never in it.. the opposite happened. they pulled away or closed it out completely.
that is what i mean with that statement.
I thought the Ab Bok semi would be close on the scoreboard…but really the Abs pretty much had the measure of the Bok…Usually if Fdp plays a good game the Bok win…he was outplayed in this game…
The only way I can see the Wallabies beating the Abs is if they can break Aaron Smith… but Genia and Phipps aren’t in his class…
Rumour has it that Matfield is going to northamton to play in a “gentler” tournament to keep his body up and running so he can lead the springboks again next season.
Te Rangatira wrote:
No one is, best player in the world.
… But pressure of a world cup final is a unknown beast.
@ MacroPolo:
The Abs and this includes the Ab coaches don’t like the Wallabies… they will be looking to smash them….Aaron Smith will get an armchair ride behind the Ab pack…i predict a 20 point margin
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