Here’s a quick summary of the Diciplinary Sanctions imposed on cited players of remaining Quarterfinal Countries – Argentina, Ireland and Scotland – following the weekend’s last Pool Stage games in the Rugby World Cup of 2015.
- Marcelo Bosch of Argentina is suspended for 1 week, for a dangerous tackle
- Sean O’Brien of Ireland is suspended for 1 week, for striking a player
- Ross Ford of Scotland is suspended for 3 weeks, for his participation in a dangerous tip takle against Samoa
- Jonny Gray of Scotland is suspended for 3 weeks, for his participation in a dangerous tip takle against Samoa
Scotland – Ross Ford & Jonny Gray:
Ross Ford and Jonny Gray (Scotland) have each been suspended for 3 weeks for dangerous tackles contrary to Law 10.4(j).
Following a review of broadcast footage, Ross Ford and Jonny Gray were both cited by independent Citing Commissioner Scott Nowland (Australia) under Law 10.4(j) during the Rugby World Cup 2015 Pool B match against Samoa at St James’ Park on 10 October.
Both players denied committing an act of foul play.
Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all broadcast angles and additional evidence, including from the players and submissions from their representative, the independent Judicial Officer Christopher Quinlan QC (England) was satisfied that each player committed an act of foul play contrary to law 10.4(j) and so upheld the citing.
In the IRB (now World Rugby) Memorandum on “Dangerous tackles” dated 8 June 2009 the Referees Manager and Judicial Panel Chairman highlighted that “tackles involving a player being lifted off the ground and tipped horizontally and were then either forced or dropped to the ground… must be dealt with severely by match officials and all those involved in the disciplinary process.”
With respect to the sanction, the Judicial Officer deemed the act of foul play merited a low-end entry point, namely 4 weeks. The Judicial Officer added 1 week for aggravation due to the need to deter this type of dangerous foul play. However, taking into account mitigating factors including the players’ conduct prior to and at the hearing, their expressions of regret, exemplary characters and excellent disciplinary records, the Judicial Officer reduced the suspension to a period of 3 weeks in respect of each player.
In the context of Rugby World Cup, 3 weeks equates to 3 matches and therefore neither of the players will be available to play for the remainder of Rugby World Cup 2015. Any remaining sanction not applied in the tournament context will revert to weeks for the players’ respective club fixtures.
The players have 48 hours in which to appeal from receipt of the written decision.
Ireland – Sean O’Brien:
Seán O’Brien (Ireland) has been suspended for 1 week for striking contrary to Law 10.4(a).
Following a review of available camera angles, O’Brien was cited by independent Citing Commissioner Dougie Hunter (Scotland) under Law 10.4(a) for striking with the hand, arm or fist during the Rugby World Cup 2015 Pool D match against France at the Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, on 11 October.
O’Brien admitted committing an act of foul play and therefore the independent Judicial Officer Terry Willis (Australia) upheld the citing on the basis that the player had committed an act of foul play contrary to Law 10.4(a).
Willis conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles and additional evidence from the player and submissions from his legal representative.
With respect to the sanction, the Judicial Officer deemed the act of foul play merited a low-end entry point of 2 weeks. The Judicial Officer considered that there were no aggravating factors. The Judicial Officer took into account compelling mitigating factors including O’Brien’s conduct prior to and at the hearing, his remorse, good character and clean disciplinary record, and reduced the suspension to a period of 1 week.
In the context of the Rugby World Cup tournament a week equates to 1 match. The suspension takes effect immediately, therefore O’Brien is suspended for Ireland’s quarterfinal match against Argentina on Sunday 18 October 2015. He is free to resume playing on 19 October 2015.
The player has 48 hours in which to appeal from receipt of the written decision.
Argentina – Marcelo Bosch:
Marcelo Bosch (Argentina) has been suspended for 1 week for a dangerous tackle contrary to Law 10.4(e).
Following a review of all camera angles, Bosch was cited by independent Citing Commissioner Peter Larter (England) under Law 10.4(e) for a dangerous tackle in the Rugby World Cup 2015 Pool C match against Namibia at Leicester City Stadium on 11 October.
Bosch admitted committing an act of foul play.
Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles and additional evidence, including from the player and submissions from his legal representative, Chris Smith of Lewis Silkin, the Judicial Officer Jean-Noel Couraud (France) upheld the citing on the basis that the player had committed an act of foul play contrary to Law 10.4(e).
With respect to the sanction, the Judicial Officer deemed the act of foul play merited a low-end entry point of 2 weeks. However, taking into account mitigating factors including his conduct prior to and at the hearing, his remorse, good character and clean disciplinary record, the Judicial Officer reduced the suspension to a period of 1 week.
The suspension takes effect immediately and will run up to and include 18 October, 2015. He is free to resume playing on 19 October 2015. Bosch will therefore miss Argentina’s quarterfinal against Ireland.
The player has 48 hours in which to appeal from receipt of the written decision.
Having reviewed the footage and the citing processes, I pick up the following:
1. If you PLEAD GUILTY, you are bound to get off lighter than maybe you should. In this regard both Bosch and O’Brien pleaded guilty and copped 1 week, whereas Ross Ford & Jonny Gray PLEADED NOT GUILTY and was found guilty and copped 3 weeks each. A plea of guilty, not only in this type of tribunal situation but in Criminal cases as well, is seen as a sign of remorse and not wasting the tribunal’s time, whereas pleading not guilty and then being found guilty is often frowned upon…. I leave it to you to decide if you think it fair to be adjudged as such and punished accordingly;
2. Both Ross Ford & Jonny Gray deserved sanction… the amount of weeks suspension is arguable. Ross Ford drives the upturned player down and Jonny is instrumental in causing the lift over the horizontal plane;
3. Marcelo Bosch’s suspension is light, as I have seen both the video and static images of the tackle on Theuns Kotze, which in my mind maybe merited a longer suspension;
4. I think Sean O’Brien’s suspension is too short, he should have copped longer… it was a blatant punch which landed where it was aimed. No excuses there, I’m afraid!
1 @ grootblousmile:
We seem to be in general agreement although think will have to agree to disagree on Ford as I am still not convinced he had the same active part in that one as Gray.
Given you think they should both be punished then you must be thinking Louw and whoever the other SA player that was involved got lucky for doing the same thing against Samoa, neither were even sited, you can see it in the clip which gives good comparison of events and repercussions:
Baie mense hier is dik die **** in oor dinge, to put it mildly.
2 @ Bullscot:
The different clips in your video follow one another a bit quick, so it is difficult to get a fair judgment from them… and neither can I specifically recall the incident where Louw was involved…
BUT, and you are damn right, everybody should be treated the same (or should have been) and if Louw’s actions merited sanction he should have been cited all the same and treated all the same in the outcome.
We must however accept that there WILL always be incidences where citings were missed, just like there will always be instances where crimes are not reported or prosecuted in life.
In dealing with these specific 4 incidents in the article, the players were cited… the proper footage is there for us to see and the tribunals also had even more of the angles to view.
If there are inconsistencies in finding players guilty or the sanctions imposed, then I would understand your logic about Ross Ford… but unfortunately I think we differ on whether he was an active participant on a dangerous tackle.
Now on to another point… and that is the 1st point I raise in my Comment No 1… and that is that players who seem to plead guilty tend to get off more lightly than those who plead not guilty but is found guilty. I would like to hear your response about that too.
Look at another, if you follow closely from around 2.35 to 2.45 you can see Dan Biggar do a very similar thing to Australian opponent what Jonny Gray did,the actual act is about at 2.38, while Craig Joubert is right there looking on and does nothing, there was no citing for Biggar:
3 @ grootblousmile:
Saw the Louw incident against Samoa on another clip more clearly am trying to look back and find it.
I certainly agree with you on getting off lighter by pleading guilty I point I have raised, maybe here or elsewhere. What my thoughts were is for me Jonny Gray was wrong and so could have pleaded guilty while Ford didn’t do anything wrong so shouldn’t have plead guilty. Now they were both found guilty and given the same sentence, in the scenario I have painted in theory Gray would have got a shorter sentence for pleading guilty than Ford for not pleading guilty yet to me Gray was the one who actually deserved punishment…
grootblousmile wrote:
Here is the Francois Louw clip, not sure who the other Bok is who is involved so have not come up with a name, that would be unfair, maybe you can tell from the clip who the other guy was.
grootblousmile wrote:
There are huge inconsistencies in players being cited in the first place as the various clips show, maybe the citing officer who cited Gray and Ford, in spite of Peyper saying that even when he and his ‘reviewing officer’ went through the game as per normal protocol that they were happy with decisions made during the game, be put in charge of all games and pick through them as finely as he did this one.
I am not casting any aspersions on the fact he (the citing officer) was Australian and Scotland are Australian’s next opponents, it is not his fault that the other citing officers have been a bit lax in performing their duties.
4, 5 & 6 @ Bullscot:
The only logical conclusion I come to from these instances on your clips of Flo Louw & Dan Biggar, are that the players whose legs are flayed about (for lack of a better explanation)… their heads are already resting on the ground or on / in the ruck, so that their bodies are flayed around but that the heads remain stationary… well that’s what and why I think it could be!
Could it be Trevor Nyakane you are referring to in the Flow Louw incident?
But pfffrrrt, I suppose you are right… could also be construed to be very similar… and thus punishable.
My point about the Ross Ford incident is that he drives the player’s head towards the ground, his action moves the head straight towards the ground… watch closely where his left hand and arm is positioned in lifing the legs up and then assisting in the drive of the whole torso to the ground…
In other words, he is not flaying the oke’s legs somewhere with the chap’s head already planted in the ruck or on the ground, he is actively involved in causing / steering the head to go directly towards the ground.
Might be symantics… or not.
Anyway, Flo Louw and Biggar were not cited… so one can draw the conclusions you want from it, I suppose.
I have nothing against obrien
but it is too easy to have a clean sheet
when they play in Ireland and in the top12
irish internationals almost never get a sanction on their home competition
(A kicking in the head from o’connel was not even sanctionned just before or during the 6nations two years ago)
and all this is very subjective
When papé was sanctioned this year (17 weeks in total and 10 matchs)
he had in all his career
only one red (in fact two yellow a day StadeFrançais pack was really dominated)
and had never been cited before
he was mainly judged on his reputation of bad boy
There is a clear inconsistency
in the citing circus
IRB/world cup is a joke only able to get more money
By the way bad guy @pascalpape did not complain during the match. Did he ? http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/world-cup/69446-o-brien-embarrassed-by-world-cup-punch#.Vh9J6DQjqpU.twitter … and did I hear any sorry to him ? oups
9 @ rebop75:
WOW that one looked very nasty, if I were judge he would have be banned for a very long time. They may argue that he was aiming a kick at the ball but so close to the head that was very reckless and for player welfare is paramount. A section of rugby followers here are of the opinion that his team are generally favoured with a main reason being where IRB (sorry World Rugby) headquarters are, I’m not so sure about that but instances such as the O’Brien slap on the wrist by the judge and the one you have posted and the fact that time an again I see Irish teams getting away with taking players out next to or beyond rucks (I describe it as gridiron) make these conspiracies seem a little less far fetched. I was gobsmacked to see the ref in the France/Ireland game actually penalize an Irish player for playing gridiron beyond a ruck.
10 @ rebop75:
He says he was embarrassed, and he was possibly sorry about being caught but can’t expect him to say sorry to Pape if he wasn’t sorry about doing it as he claims it was in retaliation for being held back, I would think any apology would be hollow anyway. I do not condone what O’Brien did just question why would someone say sorry just for saying sorry sake, apology needs to be a genuine act of remorse.
the only sorry we heard
was sorry good game
and this was deserved 😛 😛 😛
this is a test just in case
i am still able to take any picture in cardiff
Attachment:
ok it works
@ rebop75:
Are you going to watch the quarter final? Enjoy it if you are.
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