England (16) 25 / 28 (9) Wales (Final Score)
England and Wales did battle in the 2015 Rugby World Cup at
Twickenham Stadium, London, England at 21:00 SA Time (20:00 BST, 19:00 GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & CSN on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
England:
- Penalties – Owen Farrell (5)
- Drop Goals – Owen Farrell (1)
- Tries – Jonny May (1)
- Conversions – Owen Farrell (1)
Wales:
- Penalties – Dan Biggar (7)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Gareth Davies (1)
- Conversions – Dan Biggar (1)
Teams:
England |
Wales |
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Expected weather: It will be a fine, dry day with sunny spells and light winds. High of 18°C and a low of 10°C
Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant Referees: Romain Poite (France), Mathieu Raynal (France)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)
@ nortie:
I thought so as well at the time.
Probably didn’t have enough confidence in his kicker to kick it over from about 5m from touch.
What about Biggar’s kicking performance? Great kicking from all over the park. Who is Leigh Halfpenny again? 😉
@ nortie:
So, if England beat the Aussies and the Aussies beat Wales, that leaves England in the pound seat with their 2 BP’s.
Btw, I’m not a fan of BP’s in a tournament like this.
“We are hugely devastated in that changing room. Discipline cost us, we feel have let a lot of people down and we need a huge response next week.”
England captain Chris Robshaw reflects on the 28-25 defeat to Wales
Now, this sounds familiar, so nice to see other team also need to say these lines
212 @ Nama:
Yes, but Eng won’t beat Australia. 😀
Neither will Wales
Nama wrote:
If Eng beat Aus, and Aus beat Wales, Aus and Wales go through.
England’s bonus points aren’t enough to beat the 4 points Wales got for the win today
@ Nama:
You suggesting that Aus might not go through?
@ nortie:
“If Eng beat Aus, and Aus beat Wales, Aus and Wales go through”
Not as cut and dry as you make it sound, my friend.
Aus will beat Uruguay with a BP tomorrow which will take them to 9 points…3 ahead of England after 2 games.
If England beat them (Aus) next week, they will either be level on points (if Aus gets a losing BP…10 each) or Eng will be 1 or 2 points ahead of them after 3 matches, depending on whether they get a winning BP with Aus getting no points out of the match.
Which leaves us with the last round of matches where Eng is going to play Uruguay and Aus against Wales.
I know who I’m going to put my money on in that case. 😆
@ Nama:
Yep, but Wales still have that tricky encounter against Fiji, and they don’t have the luxury of fielding their “B” team…I doubt they have enough fit players left to even field a “B” team 😀
Getting themselves psyched up to play England is in their DNA, doing it again against Fiji and then Australia might prove more difficult
@ nortie:
Well, there is the possibility that one of Aus, Eng or Wales won’t go through…let’s not call it a possibility. It’s a reality that one of them won’t go through.
Wales, after their win tonight, is in a better position than the other two. But, as you say, their record against Aus ain’t that flash. So, if they lose against Aus (without a BP) and beat Fiji (with a BP) they go to 14 points on the log.
This is precisely where England’s BP’s will come to their rescue. 3 wins + 3 BP’s (win BP against Uruguay included) = 15 points.
Of course, it’s only speculation on my part.
This group is still wide open and the top 2 will only be decided in 2 week’s time imo. Tonight’s result notwithstanding.
@ nortie:
Ahhh.., which leaves us with the two finalists to go through in the group. 😉
I just have a feeling that the AB will not make it. 😯
Great day of rugby afa I’m concern. Got better as the day went on. Was quite impress with the Canada/Italy game as well. The bit that I saw of it. Very entertaining.
201 @ grootblousmile:
Did you note the changes to the Scotland team for when you are building your match threads GBS? I updated the team on the thread I initially didn’t have time to go and redo the whole of the the rest of the artcle. Mentioned it during one of the other games here yesterday :”Just updated the Scotland team for USA teamsheet:
John Hardie (7) has been pulled from the game, failed a head knock assesment. Ryan Wilson who was on the bench starts at 7, Ross Ford who was on the bench starts at hooker with Fraser Brown who was starting hooker now dropping to the bench to cover loose forward, Kevin Bryce comes into the match day squad on the bench as hooker replacement.”
Quite a long read and perhaps a bit dramatic but thought this was good from the Beeb:
“Sometimes there are games so gripping that hype is left looking lightweight. Sometimes there are contests so brutal that there are more men bloodied and broken than left standing. Sometimes teams refuse to be beaten, even when the scoreboard and odds and environment are all against them.
Saturday night at Twickenham was all that and more. Breathless chaos, impossible composure. A moment of brilliance, a litany of stupidity. Arguably the biggest and best win Wales have ever pulled off on foreign soil, indisputably the most devastating defeat of Stuart Lancaster’s England regime.
How did Wales snatch it? In any normal victory over England – if there were such a thing – there would be those who couldn’t care. All that matters is the win.
Except this time the style and circumstance will be essential to the celebration.
Ten points down at half-time, a scrum disintegrating, a line-out malfunctioning. Half a team out injured before the night had begun, their replacements succumbing the same way. England in charge, kicking their points, holding their line.
Some of it sprung from a change in tactics. Keep the ball in play. Take the set-piece out of the equation.
A lot of it came down to the dead-eyed kicking of Dan Biggar. Seven penalties kicked for the posts, seven successful. No Welshman has ever scored as many in a World Cup contest as his unblemished 23.
Ten points down at half-time, a scrum disintegrating, a line-out malfunctioning. Half a team out injured before the night had begun, their replacements succumbing the same way. England in charge, kicking their points, holding their line.
Some of it sprung from a change in tactics. Keep the ball in play. Take the set-piece out of the equation.
A lot of it came down to the dead-eyed kicking of Dan Biggar. Seven penalties kicked for the posts, seven successful. No Welshman has ever scored as many in a World Cup contest as his unblemished 23.
With the deficit still seven points and less than 10 minutes remaining, in came the individual inspiration – Lloyd Williams, disappearing down a white-shirted cul-de-sac on the left wing, kicking cross-field with the same elan and accuracy as Didier Camberabero on this same turf 24 years ago to send Gareth Davies away for the critical try.
With the score locked at 25-25, a weary yet indefatigable Biggar nailed a monstrous penalty from almost halfway to complete the comeback.
All that, and then belief, and guts, and fitness, and fight. There were reasons everywhere for Wales to accept defeat. They would not take them.
It still should not have been enough. This was a match won in astonishing fashion but also lost in the way that can haunt teams and finish coaches.
Had you missed the entire match then the look on Lancaster’s face afterwards would have told you everything you needed to know.
This was the doomsday scenario for his side, a win over Australia now the only thing that stands between them and unwanted infamy as the first World Cup hosts in history to go out of their own tournament in the group stages.
It was also a collective failure of strategy, a second-half brain freeze that manifested itself in repeated penalties for exactly the same breakdown offence and came to a head in the decision, three minutes from time, to kick for the corner rather than take on the three points that would have rescued at least a draw.
For all the talk about the coach’s controversial team selection, this was a match decided elsewhere. Owen Farrell was excellent, banging over all five of his penalties, adding a somewhat wobbly drop-goal and a simpler conversion. Sam Burgess bashed and crashed and slammed a little too.
Just before half-time, England led 16-6. They were dominant in the scrum, all over every line-out, winning quick ball and creating space out wide as their ball-carriers sucked in defenders. Ben Youngs was firing, Mike Brown scorching a trail.
Just after half-time they still led 19-9. With half an hour to go they had it held at 22-12. So where did it go?
In the head and in the hands. At ruck after ruck an Englishman would transgress, the whistle of Jerome Garces would trill and Biggar’s boot made another dent in their lead.
England missed 17 tackles and conceded eight turnovers. Too often in a disintegrating second half they kicked possession aimlessly away. More critical were the 12 penalties, so many for the same offence.
Why not realise? Why not adapt? So much else that England had done was based on solid pragmatism: kick for territory, pick up points when deep in opposition territory, keep the defensive line-speed high and door tightly shut.
They could still have rescued it. A draw would have kept this most open of groups in the tantalising balance. Farrell had been faultless. So why gamble on something more?
Captain Chris Robshaw has been here before. With time running out against South Africa in the autumn of 2012 he instructed Farrell take a penalty that took his side to within a point, rather than going to the corner.
England mangled the re-start, ran out time and lost the match. Three years on he went the other way – red rather than black, twist rather than stick – and found the result the same.
Lancaster offered him precious little protection afterwards. He had been screaming from the bench to take the points that would have levelled it.
He may be screaming in his sleep for long dark nights to come. For all he has done with England, for all the dedication and thought he has put into his four years and the broken bridges he has mended between the country’s elite players and its long-suffering support, it may all be crashing down around him.
Can England recover against Australia?
Sides have come back from calamitous defeats in the group stages before to flourish again at World Cups. Four years ago France were embarrassed by Tonga but went on to reach the final and be within a kick of winning the thing. Eight years ago England were blitzed 36-0 by South Africa yet fought back to somehow meet the same opponents again in the final.
Neither had to beat a side as accomplished as the Wallabies just to make it into the knockout stages.
Lancaster’s team, in every Six Nations and every autumn series, has failed at least one big test. The wriggle-room has now gone. Another now-characteristic failure and they will be gone.
Quite what happens to Wales next is another matter. With Scott Williams, Liam Williams and Hallam Amos added to an injury-list that already included two props, a winger, a first-choice scrum-half and a Lions full-back and centre, and a bench so bare that they finished this match with a wing at centre, a scrum-half on wing and a patched-up fly-half at full-back, this victory has come at a cruel price.
That is for another night and another morning.
As midnight passed to the sounds of Hymns and Arias being sung from the stadium bars and early morning arrived to men in red dancing down the dark streets of south-west London, it was all about one match: a win like no other, a night to never forget.”
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