We desperately try to stay clear of political content here on Rugby-Talk.com, however this week, after the loss by the Springboks to Los Pumas in Durban, it appears that another mini-storm has been brewing regarding the inclusion or non-inclusion of non-white players (such an ugly term in a new and supposedly democratic South Africa) in the Springboks.
Firstly it was reported that 5 Black Springboks (yet another unfortunate term in the new South Africa) have apporached trade union Cosatu about being sidelined in Test matches for the Springboks.
Then of course Cosatu, as we have come to know their standard methodology, responded about the supposedly racist choices of SA Rugby, condemning it and shouting from the rooftops.
Then there was the logical retort from SARU… not that it cleared matters up at all.
The Minister of Sport & Recreation, Fikile Mbalula, also jumped on board this discussion and seemed to be “the voice of reason” in this rather unfortunate circumstance, saying that South Africans must be patient with the pace of transformation in rugby in South Africa. From my side a small thank you to the Minister – good on you!
These political shannanigans always build on the discourse in South African traditional politics and fuel the devide, in stead of bringing harmony to this nation with so many possibilities.
I guess what I am asking myself, through all of this, is which other logical first choice Black Springboks merited 1st choice selection above their not so black peers?
Do we want the best team out there or do we want transformation tokens in our Springbok side?
To me it’s simple… do the transformation thing, but for goodness sakes, allow the Springbok coach to select the best Springbok squad out there, based on merit and merit alone, whether that squad only consists of White Springboks or only of Black Springboks or of a smattering of one and the other… the rest is immaterial to me!
South Africa will continue suffering the scurge of political debate about transformation in rugby, till a generation of players have come through the systems, where disadvantaged players have had access to proper facilities and an equal chance of progressing through the structures, rather than be fast-tracked through the systems and implimented as tokens or quotas (yet another very ugly phrase)! Of that I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever!
My plea to Government, Polititions, SARU, SASCOC, Trade Unions, Schools, Rugby Clubs, Provincial Unions and every South African is to promote and assist in the establishment of those critical facilities needed to achieve the goal of an equal chance to advance upwards… and then building that new generation of South African rugby players (a much better term for the new South Africa) to represent us at all levels of play.
To those polititions who use these issues for self-promotion and more racial devide, I hope your fingers turn into fish hooks and your nether private parts start itching uncontrollably! You know exactly who you are… yeah you too Tony Ehrenreich!
OK, that was my rather subdued rant for a Wednesday…
For clarity sake, below a few news articles on the matter, as it appeared in the media this week:
Springboks approach Cosatu over ‘all white’ team
Five black Springbok players have approached Cosatu to take up issues such as being sidelined in matches, the trade federation said on Monday.
Western Cape Cosatu chairperson Motlatsi Tsubane said two white Springboks had also “put their weight behind the matter” and felt not enough had been done to transform the team.
“Unfortunately for obvious reasons we are not in a position to give names because, at the end of the day, we still have to sit down and engage with them so they can give a clear overview of what is happening,” Tsubane said.
He said the players were afraid to speak out for fear of being victimised.
“In the days to come, we are going to set up a meeting with them.”
The Springboks lost 37 / 25 to Argentina in their final Rugby Championship Test in Durban on Saturday.
Cosatu provincial secretary Tony Ehrenreich insisted that a more racially representative team be chosen for the next Test against Argentina in Buenos Aires on Saturday.
(Sport24)
Cosatu condemns ‘racist choices’ of SA Rugby
The Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) has condemned the “racist choices” of SA Rugby.
Cosatu, in a statement released on Tuesday, slammed the lack of transformation in SA rugby, suggesting that black players have been excluded to make place for Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer’s “white favourites”.
Cosatu’s press statement reads as followed:
The lack of black players in SA rugby teams have reached a crisis, with the latest choices of the team that lost to the Argentinians over the weekend. The team only had 2 black South African players in the starting line up. No other team could possibly perform worse than this team and we insist that a more representative team be picked for the next game against Argentinia. The performance next week of the mixed team should then lay to rest once and for all the obvious advantages of picking mixed teams. When we have clearly seen that the most mixed team [Stormers] had performed the best of all the SA teams in the Super 15 competition.
The coach played many of the white players out of their positions as he put them into specialist positions, where clearly there were black players available. When he does bring in a few black players, the quality of play changed; but too little too late. This adds insult to injury as the coach ignores the form players of the year as well as the form teams of the year in favour of his personal preferences. This Coach does not have the National interest at heart and demonstrates a sense of arrogance in disregarding the interest of the majority of South Africans, by treating SA rugby as his private fiefdom.
This coach has been the worst performing coach of all time over this tournament and yet not a word is spoken about this. When Coach De Villiers led the team the white establishment was quick to criticise him, yet there is a deafening silence now. There is a white cabal who still tries to control the Rugby team and who gets to play in it. They must be told in no uncertain terms that this Springbok team belongs to all South Africans and should reflect all South Africans.
There is a practice of reverse affirmative action in Rugby, where certain positions are still maintained for the white players. This maintenance and control of the white establishment is reflected in who gets the most lucrative contracts and who gets to continue on in the sport in leadership and administrative positions. Black Players have come to Cosatu to take up these issues for them, as they are often victimised when they raise it with the Rugby association. The Rugby establishment defends the privileged position of white players and the Captain Jean De Villiers is an example of this. Any other player anywhere else in the world would have to play himself back into the team after such a long absence, yet he gets to just walk back into the team, when he is clearly not the form player.
Cosatu calls on the Minister and the leadership of Rugby to stop pandering to this racist white interest represented and led by the Coach. We want the Coach removed and a more representative team selected that represents all the people of South Africa. We need to get the nation behind the team and we certainly have a difficulty supporting a white team, when there are so many black players who are the form players in so many positions, excluded.
This Rugby World Cup, Cosatu and the democratic sporting fraternity will take a stand against white control, domination and manipulation of the Rugby squad. We will make the issue about the exclusion of black players an International campaign to expose how certain sectors of South Africa refuses to transform, in line with the National ambition.
(Sport24)
SARU answers Cosatu
The South African Rugby Union has responded to the claims by the Congress of South African Trade Unions that the Springbok team is ‘too white’.
COSATU has come out all guns blazing in the wake of the Boks’ 25 / 37 loss to Argentina at the weekend – the first time the Pumas have beaten the Boks.
The trade union condemned what it called the “racist choices” of Bok coach Heyneke Meyer and demanded he immediately select more black players.
They also slammed the “white cabal” that sill runs the game.
There was also claims that five black players approached COSATU to take up issues such as being sidelined in matches.
Western Cape COSATU provincial secretary Tony Ehrenreich insisted that a more racially representative team be chosen for the next Test against Argentina in Buenos Aires on Saturday.
The Springbok team management have referred all queries to SARU.
“SARU recently signed an MOU [Memorandum of Understanding] with the government and SASCOC on a strategic transformation plan for rugby,” a SARU spokesman told rugby365 in response to the COSATU outburst.
“Our focus now is on delivering on our understanding with them and we will continue to engage with sports leadership in the country on our progress.”
COSATU statement in full:
“Black Players Excluded to Make Place for Heynecke’s White Favourites.
“The lack of black players in SA rugby teams have reached a crisis, with the latest choices of the team that lost to the Argentineans over the weekend.
“The team only had 2 black South African players in the starting line up.
“No other team could possibly perform worse than this team and we insist that a more representative team be picked for the next game against Argentina. The performance next week of the mixed team should then lay to rest once and for all the obvious advantages of picking mixed teams.
“When we have clearly seen that the most mixed team [Stormers] had performed the best of all the SA teams in the Super 15 competition.
“The coach played many of the white players out of their positions as he put them into specialist positions, where clearly there were black players available.
“When he does bring in a few black players, the quality of play changed; but too little too late. This adds insult to injury as the coach ignores the form players of the year as well as the form teams of the year in favour of his personal preferences.
“This Coach does not have the National interest at heart and demonstrates a sense of arrogance in disregarding the interest of the majority of South Africans, by treating SA rugby as his private fiefdom.
“This coach has been the worst performing coach of all time over this tournament and yet not a word is spoken about this.
“When Coach De Villiers led the team the white establishment was quick to criticise him, yet there is a deafening silence now.
“There is a white cabal who still tries to control the Rugby team and who gets to play in it.
“They must be told in no uncertain terms that this Springbok team belongs to all South Africans and should reflect all South Africans.
“There is a practice of reverse affirmative action in Rugby, where certain positions are still maintained for the white players.
“This maintenance and control of the white establishment is reflected in who gets the most lucrative contracts and who gets to continue on in the sport in leadership and administrative positions.
“Black Players have come to COSATU to take up these issues for them, as they are often victimised when they raise it with the Rugby association.
“The Rugby establishment defends the privileged position of white players and the Captain Jean De Villiers is an example of this.
“Any other player anywhere else in the world would have to play himself back into the team after such a long absence, yet he gets to just walk back into the team, when he is clearly not the form player.
“COSATU calls on the Minister and the leadership of Rugby to stop pandering to this racist white interest represented and led by the Coach. We want the Coach removed and a more representative team selected that represents all the people of South Africa. We need to get the nation behind the team and we certainly have a difficulty supporting a white team, when there are so many black players who are the form players in so many positions, excluded.
“This Rugby World Cup, COSATU and the democratic sporting fraternity will take a stand against white control, domination and manipulation of the Rugby squad.
“We will make the issue about the exclusion of black players an International campaign to expose how certain sectors of South Africa refuses to transform, in line with the National ambition.” – Source: www.cosatu.org.za
(rugby365)
No quick fix to racial make-up of Boks – Mbalula
South Africans must be patient with the pace of transformation in the country’s national rugby side and will not be asking for more black players at the Rugby World Cup, sports minister Fikile Mbalula said.
The debate over racial quotas and transformation in the Springbok team flared up again in the wake of Saturday’s shock 37-25 home defeat to Argentina, with the country’s biggest trade union wading into the argument.
Two black players, Zimbabwe-born prop Tendai Mtwarira and experienced wing Bryan Habana, were included in coach Heyneke Meyer’s starting XV against The Pumas.
Flank Siya Kolisi, wing Lwazi Mvovo and prop Trevor Nyakane came off the bench.
Mbalula, a prolific user of Twitter, took to the social media platform to back the current set-up and suggest those frustrated cannot expect change “overnight”.
“Full transformation in rugby is not going to emerge overnight because we are going to the World Cup,” Mbalula said.
“I have (previously) addressed the transformation issues and I have gone a long way in doing so. We need a winning team that is black and white going to the World Cup.”
Issues around the racial make-up of the South African side have risen prior to every World Cup they have competed in – starting with their victory on home soil in 1995 when wing Chester Williams was the only non-white member of the squad.
The influential Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) has called on South Africa to pick a more “mixed” team for Saturday’s Test in Argentina.
“No other team could possibly perform worse and we insist that a more representative team be picked for the next game against Argentina,” Cosatu said in a statement on Tuesday.
“The performance next week of the mixed team should then lay to rest once and for all the obvious advantages of picking mixed teams.
“The coach played many of the white players out of their positions… where clearly there were black players available.
“When he does bring in a few black players, the quality of play changed; but too little too late.
“There is a white cabal who still tries to control the rugby team and who gets to play in it.”
Up until 1992 black players were prohibited from playing for the Springboks when South African society was governed by Apartheid.
Sport24)
Victoriabok wrote:
Very poorly 😆
Did terrible this weekend, 0/3 tournaments, you are not Chuck Norris
Dis die enigste probleem, moeilik om te pick as mens nie sien hoe hulle speel nie, bygese, ek het nie gedink ons sal ooit teen n tweederangse span soos Argentina verloor nie
@ MacroPolo:
Hoe download mens streaming?
Sien sites wys free streaming, maar almal soek betaling iewers
@19 Macro
Yes we had some pretty bad spells throughout the years and it’s never acceptable hence the expectation that Meyer will take us to the promised land as proclaimed by all and sundry when he got the gig.Yes,we came within a whisker of beating the Wallabies last month but any coach who calls up Jacque Fourie out of international retirement only to find out he’s hopelessly out of shape and then sends him back to Japan only for Fourie to then re-announce his international retirement has me seriously doubting his abilities to build a champion team, which HM has clearly failed to do.
@ nortie:
Jy laai maar net die blad, hulle maak geld met advertensies. cricfree.sx is goed hul wys enige sport in die wereld, maar soos saterdag, was die Bulls game nie op gewees nie want hulle kon nie n bron kry nie, so dit is nie 100% betroubaar nie, so jy kan nie altyd daarop staatmaak nie… die voordeel is as jy sky sports kry, dan het hulle ouens soos michael lynagh, sean fitzpatrick in the halftyd talks, ek geniet ook thinus delport se insette.
And yes, I also turned off my DSTV this month, cheaper to watch it at a pub or a pal’s house,World Cup notwithstanding.R800/month is simply too much these days!
@ MacroPolo:
Ek het daar gaan loer Saterdag, maar hulle praat van R6 n dag of iets.
Ek neem aan dit vat seker baie data om n game so te kyk?
@ Rage:
Well it could have been worse, he could have selected Fourie in every game to get him match fit.
Also we all wanted an apology after saturday, and not the “it builds character” excuse, we got that.
35 @ Rage:
Yep, all I ever watched was the rugby and reruns of Top gear.
Might as well sit in a pub and watch the game you want to see, our rugby currently doesn’t justify the monthly subscription
@ nortie:
Ja jy sien, ek spaar R700+, maar jou kostes bly daar rond vir n goeie internet konneksie.
n game kan jou tussen 300-700 MB se data kos.
Dit pas my beter want ek kan heelwat meer doen op die internet as met dstv.
@ 37 Macro
He WAS planning on playing him..and FdP.. and Vic… and Schalk…and Habana…and JPP…and Morné…and Frans…hell, that’s half of Jake’s 2007 team right there 🙂
MacroPolo wrote:
Where were the apologies after the Wales, Ireland, Australia and NZ losses?
Then we were hunky dory and “on track”
That’s why we are saying the eye claps have come off and he has been found out.
Just because we lost to a team we shouldn’t have, he is stuck and has to man up.
nortie wrote:
Jy moet maar gewoond raak daaraan
Argentinië was nog altyd ‘n taai kalant by die Wêreldbeker, en hulle gaan net nog beter word nou dat hulle jaarliks teen die All Blacks en Wallabies speel (uitgesluit ons, Argentinië gebruik ons net vir oefening)
Ons gaan net swakker word met die swak bestuur by SARU
Die swak Rand gekombineerd met die kwotastelsel gaan baie talentvolle spelers om selfs nog vroeër in hulle loopbaan laat besluit om oorsee te speel.
Hoe meer kwotaspelers hulle inforseer hoe minder plekke is daar vir spelers wat daar hoort en dis die ouens wat nou al na skool, of O/19 of O/20 oorsee gaan spaal.
Daar is baie ouens wat beurse by Amerikaanse universiteite kry om daar te gaan speel en as rugby by die Olimpiese Spele is gaan dit nog groter in Amerika wees
Teen die aanbreek van die volgende WC gaan ons hoogtepunt (gelukkig) wees om spanne soos Wallis en Frankryk te kan wen
Om te wen teen die All Blacks en die Wallabies sal ongehoord wees, nog meer as nou
@ 38 Nortie
Absolutely,fark…for R800/ month I can save up for a proper getaway or get myself another policy or something instead of being tortured with a Bok getjommel, hehhe
42 @ Victoriabok:
“Argentinië was nog altyd ‘n taai kalant by die Wêreldbeker, en hulle gaan net nog beter word nou dat hulle jaarliks teen die All Blacks en Wallabies speel (uitgesluit ons, Argentinië gebruik ons net vir oefening)”
😆 ha ha, eina!
Rage wrote:
I honestly have no problem with Habana or Schalk, if FdP was fit before TRC, i think it would have been a welcome addition… Fransie i would not have been opposed to either, he has won us a few matches over the last few years, and we are DESPERATE for match winners, something that has been painfully lacking… JPP and Morne never played.
So out of this team, only Matfield, Fdp and Fransie would have been questionable inclusions to my mind, which is not 11/22 players 😆
waitf JPP played didn’t he?
I think his ship has sailed as well.
42 @ Victoriabok:
Ek dink die enigste factor wat ons verlies van spelers aanbetref of selfs swak transformasie is ons ekonomie, en daar is niks wat rugby administrateurs kan doen om dit te keer nie.
@ 40 Macro
Hehe…Eish…no wonder we are ranked 5th right now.Here’s to hoping the manne can somehow lift themselves and reach the semis at least.
48 @ Rage:
With our best players available i think we can.
I also think it is ridiculous for Meyer to have to defend certain selections, why does he have to defend selecting Kirchner?
If i was Kirchner I would have retired from the bok team years ago, the hate this guy gets is ridiculous after all the things he has achieved. I have no idea how he motivates himself.
50 @ MacroPolo:
… and he does not even have the Crusty the Clown hairstyle anymore and neither does he play for the Bulls anymore… and yet Zane still cops tons of shit!
@Macro
HM has done more damage to Zane now than any critics.
Hy het n lat vir sy eie gat gesny met die span wat hy gekies het Saterdag, enige Suid Afrikaner weet jy kan nie n span kies met net twee spelers van kleur nie, dis mos nie rocket science nie?
Nou over compensate hy weer die naweek, en Zane en kie is die victims
@ grootblousmile:
Hell even the argentinians hate him just because of his name.
@ nortie:
Ek dink willie en jdv se besering het ook daartoe bygedra. As dit nie volkome die rede is nie. So ons kan maar net raai.
Is Kriel a better wing than Senatla? Or even Mvovo?
HM was seriously dof or naive to think he could get away with his team selection of the weekend, and the fact that team couldn’t even beat Argentina at home compounded the problem even more.
@ nortie:
Senatla should have played super rugby to seriously have been in contention the TRC squad. SURELY
MacroPolo wrote:
SARU doen so min as moontlik, nog minder as hulle kan
As Oregan Hoskins twee jaar kan afval, met volle salaris, om sy MBA te doen, kan jy dink hoe hard hy werk en hoe baie hy vir SARU beteken as hy wel by die werk is?
Hulle kan meer doen om jong spelers te behou, deur meer O/19 en o/20 toenooie te hou, belowende spelers te kontrakteer en ‘n “career path” na die Bok span vir hulle uit te lê
Die Aussies het die kleinste poel spelers om uit te kies van al die groot rugby lande en hulle het ‘n manier om hulle jong taelent groot te maak. Hulle het nie die swak Rand nie maar hulle bestuur weet wat hulle doen
56 @ MacroPolo:
Or even european cup 😆
52 @ nortie:
Dalk speel InZane Kirchner & Kie ons stil die naweek!
Bulls voorry… eish
‘n Oupa in die 2nd row
‘n Geroeste Bone Collector in die loosies
Die ou met die afdraende gesig soos ‘n hartseer weeluis steeds op scrummie
Goldylocks op losskakel
‘n Volvo en ‘n wannabe Frenchie op die vleuels
… en Crusty in die laaste vesting!
Ek is baie gelukkig met die senters… hehehe
54 @ MacroPolo:
Well, according to HM he was always going to play his best side in SA and send his so called back up players to Argentina….only I doubt he or any of realized at the time that he would be 0/1 against them at this stage
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