We desperately try to stay clear of political content here on Rugby-Talk.com, however this week, after the loss by the Springboks to Los Pumas in Durban, it appears that another mini-storm has been brewing regarding the inclusion or non-inclusion of non-white players (such an ugly term in a new and supposedly democratic South Africa) in the Springboks.
Firstly it was reported that 5 Black Springboks (yet another unfortunate term in the new South Africa) have apporached trade union Cosatu about being sidelined in Test matches for the Springboks.
Then of course Cosatu, as we have come to know their standard methodology, responded about the supposedly racist choices of SA Rugby, condemning it and shouting from the rooftops.
Then there was the logical retort from SARU… not that it cleared matters up at all.
The Minister of Sport & Recreation, Fikile Mbalula, also jumped on board this discussion and seemed to be “the voice of reason” in this rather unfortunate circumstance, saying that South Africans must be patient with the pace of transformation in rugby in South Africa. From my side a small thank you to the Minister – good on you!
These political shannanigans always build on the discourse in South African traditional politics and fuel the devide, in stead of bringing harmony to this nation with so many possibilities.
I guess what I am asking myself, through all of this, is which other logical first choice Black Springboks merited 1st choice selection above their not so black peers?
Do we want the best team out there or do we want transformation tokens in our Springbok side?
To me it’s simple… do the transformation thing, but for goodness sakes, allow the Springbok coach to select the best Springbok squad out there, based on merit and merit alone, whether that squad only consists of White Springboks or only of Black Springboks or of a smattering of one and the other… the rest is immaterial to me!
South Africa will continue suffering the scurge of political debate about transformation in rugby, till a generation of players have come through the systems, where disadvantaged players have had access to proper facilities and an equal chance of progressing through the structures, rather than be fast-tracked through the systems and implimented as tokens or quotas (yet another very ugly phrase)! Of that I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever!
My plea to Government, Polititions, SARU, SASCOC, Trade Unions, Schools, Rugby Clubs, Provincial Unions and every South African is to promote and assist in the establishment of those critical facilities needed to achieve the goal of an equal chance to advance upwards… and then building that new generation of South African rugby players (a much better term for the new South Africa) to represent us at all levels of play.
To those polititions who use these issues for self-promotion and more racial devide, I hope your fingers turn into fish hooks and your nether private parts start itching uncontrollably! You know exactly who you are… yeah you too Tony Ehrenreich!
OK, that was my rather subdued rant for a Wednesday…
For clarity sake, below a few news articles on the matter, as it appeared in the media this week:
Springboks approach Cosatu over ‘all white’ team
Five black Springbok players have approached Cosatu to take up issues such as being sidelined in matches, the trade federation said on Monday.
Western Cape Cosatu chairperson Motlatsi Tsubane said two white Springboks had also “put their weight behind the matter” and felt not enough had been done to transform the team.
“Unfortunately for obvious reasons we are not in a position to give names because, at the end of the day, we still have to sit down and engage with them so they can give a clear overview of what is happening,” Tsubane said.
He said the players were afraid to speak out for fear of being victimised.
“In the days to come, we are going to set up a meeting with them.”
The Springboks lost 37 / 25 to Argentina in their final Rugby Championship Test in Durban on Saturday.
Cosatu provincial secretary Tony Ehrenreich insisted that a more racially representative team be chosen for the next Test against Argentina in Buenos Aires on Saturday.
(Sport24)
Cosatu condemns ‘racist choices’ of SA Rugby
The Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) has condemned the “racist choices” of SA Rugby.
Cosatu, in a statement released on Tuesday, slammed the lack of transformation in SA rugby, suggesting that black players have been excluded to make place for Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer’s “white favourites”.
Cosatu’s press statement reads as followed:
The lack of black players in SA rugby teams have reached a crisis, with the latest choices of the team that lost to the Argentinians over the weekend. The team only had 2 black South African players in the starting line up. No other team could possibly perform worse than this team and we insist that a more representative team be picked for the next game against Argentinia. The performance next week of the mixed team should then lay to rest once and for all the obvious advantages of picking mixed teams. When we have clearly seen that the most mixed team [Stormers] had performed the best of all the SA teams in the Super 15 competition.
The coach played many of the white players out of their positions as he put them into specialist positions, where clearly there were black players available. When he does bring in a few black players, the quality of play changed; but too little too late. This adds insult to injury as the coach ignores the form players of the year as well as the form teams of the year in favour of his personal preferences. This Coach does not have the National interest at heart and demonstrates a sense of arrogance in disregarding the interest of the majority of South Africans, by treating SA rugby as his private fiefdom.
This coach has been the worst performing coach of all time over this tournament and yet not a word is spoken about this. When Coach De Villiers led the team the white establishment was quick to criticise him, yet there is a deafening silence now. There is a white cabal who still tries to control the Rugby team and who gets to play in it. They must be told in no uncertain terms that this Springbok team belongs to all South Africans and should reflect all South Africans.
There is a practice of reverse affirmative action in Rugby, where certain positions are still maintained for the white players. This maintenance and control of the white establishment is reflected in who gets the most lucrative contracts and who gets to continue on in the sport in leadership and administrative positions. Black Players have come to Cosatu to take up these issues for them, as they are often victimised when they raise it with the Rugby association. The Rugby establishment defends the privileged position of white players and the Captain Jean De Villiers is an example of this. Any other player anywhere else in the world would have to play himself back into the team after such a long absence, yet he gets to just walk back into the team, when he is clearly not the form player.
Cosatu calls on the Minister and the leadership of Rugby to stop pandering to this racist white interest represented and led by the Coach. We want the Coach removed and a more representative team selected that represents all the people of South Africa. We need to get the nation behind the team and we certainly have a difficulty supporting a white team, when there are so many black players who are the form players in so many positions, excluded.
This Rugby World Cup, Cosatu and the democratic sporting fraternity will take a stand against white control, domination and manipulation of the Rugby squad. We will make the issue about the exclusion of black players an International campaign to expose how certain sectors of South Africa refuses to transform, in line with the National ambition.
(Sport24)
SARU answers Cosatu
The South African Rugby Union has responded to the claims by the Congress of South African Trade Unions that the Springbok team is ‘too white’.
COSATU has come out all guns blazing in the wake of the Boks’ 25 / 37 loss to Argentina at the weekend – the first time the Pumas have beaten the Boks.
The trade union condemned what it called the “racist choices” of Bok coach Heyneke Meyer and demanded he immediately select more black players.
They also slammed the “white cabal” that sill runs the game.
There was also claims that five black players approached COSATU to take up issues such as being sidelined in matches.
Western Cape COSATU provincial secretary Tony Ehrenreich insisted that a more racially representative team be chosen for the next Test against Argentina in Buenos Aires on Saturday.
The Springbok team management have referred all queries to SARU.
“SARU recently signed an MOU [Memorandum of Understanding] with the government and SASCOC on a strategic transformation plan for rugby,” a SARU spokesman told rugby365 in response to the COSATU outburst.
“Our focus now is on delivering on our understanding with them and we will continue to engage with sports leadership in the country on our progress.”
COSATU statement in full:
“Black Players Excluded to Make Place for Heynecke’s White Favourites.
“The lack of black players in SA rugby teams have reached a crisis, with the latest choices of the team that lost to the Argentineans over the weekend.
“The team only had 2 black South African players in the starting line up.
“No other team could possibly perform worse than this team and we insist that a more representative team be picked for the next game against Argentina. The performance next week of the mixed team should then lay to rest once and for all the obvious advantages of picking mixed teams.
“When we have clearly seen that the most mixed team [Stormers] had performed the best of all the SA teams in the Super 15 competition.
“The coach played many of the white players out of their positions as he put them into specialist positions, where clearly there were black players available.
“When he does bring in a few black players, the quality of play changed; but too little too late. This adds insult to injury as the coach ignores the form players of the year as well as the form teams of the year in favour of his personal preferences.
“This Coach does not have the National interest at heart and demonstrates a sense of arrogance in disregarding the interest of the majority of South Africans, by treating SA rugby as his private fiefdom.
“This coach has been the worst performing coach of all time over this tournament and yet not a word is spoken about this.
“When Coach De Villiers led the team the white establishment was quick to criticise him, yet there is a deafening silence now.
“There is a white cabal who still tries to control the Rugby team and who gets to play in it.
“They must be told in no uncertain terms that this Springbok team belongs to all South Africans and should reflect all South Africans.
“There is a practice of reverse affirmative action in Rugby, where certain positions are still maintained for the white players.
“This maintenance and control of the white establishment is reflected in who gets the most lucrative contracts and who gets to continue on in the sport in leadership and administrative positions.
“Black Players have come to COSATU to take up these issues for them, as they are often victimised when they raise it with the Rugby association.
“The Rugby establishment defends the privileged position of white players and the Captain Jean De Villiers is an example of this.
“Any other player anywhere else in the world would have to play himself back into the team after such a long absence, yet he gets to just walk back into the team, when he is clearly not the form player.
“COSATU calls on the Minister and the leadership of Rugby to stop pandering to this racist white interest represented and led by the Coach. We want the Coach removed and a more representative team selected that represents all the people of South Africa. We need to get the nation behind the team and we certainly have a difficulty supporting a white team, when there are so many black players who are the form players in so many positions, excluded.
“This Rugby World Cup, COSATU and the democratic sporting fraternity will take a stand against white control, domination and manipulation of the Rugby squad.
“We will make the issue about the exclusion of black players an International campaign to expose how certain sectors of South Africa refuses to transform, in line with the National ambition.” – Source: www.cosatu.org.za
(rugby365)
No quick fix to racial make-up of Boks – Mbalula
South Africans must be patient with the pace of transformation in the country’s national rugby side and will not be asking for more black players at the Rugby World Cup, sports minister Fikile Mbalula said.
The debate over racial quotas and transformation in the Springbok team flared up again in the wake of Saturday’s shock 37-25 home defeat to Argentina, with the country’s biggest trade union wading into the argument.
Two black players, Zimbabwe-born prop Tendai Mtwarira and experienced wing Bryan Habana, were included in coach Heyneke Meyer’s starting XV against The Pumas.
Flank Siya Kolisi, wing Lwazi Mvovo and prop Trevor Nyakane came off the bench.
Mbalula, a prolific user of Twitter, took to the social media platform to back the current set-up and suggest those frustrated cannot expect change “overnight”.
“Full transformation in rugby is not going to emerge overnight because we are going to the World Cup,” Mbalula said.
“I have (previously) addressed the transformation issues and I have gone a long way in doing so. We need a winning team that is black and white going to the World Cup.”
Issues around the racial make-up of the South African side have risen prior to every World Cup they have competed in – starting with their victory on home soil in 1995 when wing Chester Williams was the only non-white member of the squad.
The influential Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) has called on South Africa to pick a more “mixed” team for Saturday’s Test in Argentina.
“No other team could possibly perform worse and we insist that a more representative team be picked for the next game against Argentina,” Cosatu said in a statement on Tuesday.
“The performance next week of the mixed team should then lay to rest once and for all the obvious advantages of picking mixed teams.
“The coach played many of the white players out of their positions… where clearly there were black players available.
“When he does bring in a few black players, the quality of play changed; but too little too late.
“There is a white cabal who still tries to control the rugby team and who gets to play in it.”
Up until 1992 black players were prohibited from playing for the Springboks when South African society was governed by Apartheid.
Sport24)
I hope my article on the matter comes accross as moderate and an honest assessment of how the matter should be processed.
The last thing I want is for the discussion here to degenerate into more political debate.
I feel that I had to place this article, as it is one of the news items dominating the press this week.
And PdV weighs in:
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/08/12/Meyer-took-us-back-to-1980s-says-former-Bok-coach-Peter-de-Villiers
2 @ WP Till I Die:
Yeah, I see old Snortjop now has a heap to say… this coming from a coach who is not even wanted or considered good enough by Boland to coach a Currie Cup First Division side… pretty rich and comical!
Anyway, this bunch of malakkas is such a crock of shit, maybe I should not even have put an article about it!
Again the politicians trying to get mileage out of sport. When I go and watch school boy rugby, the teams are very mixed. What happens to the black youngsters at that level? Are they ignored by talent scouts, or do they want to pursue other careers?
Like GBS, I don’t give two hoots as to the racial make up of the team, as long as each player selected deserves his place in the team and is there purely on merit.
@ grootblousmile:
Actually I think he makes a lot of sense in his post mortem of the game. I wish he was the coach now because he would bring some light relief in his interactions with the press.
@ Lion4ever:
Meyer should have seen this coming a while ago and make use off Loubscher during press conferences to be more to soothing to those sections of the public.
Yeah PDV has been subjected to this kind of public outrage each time the Bokke lost a game.The media crucified the poor bugger yet he kept his sense of humor intact for most of the time.When the Bokke won however, it was another story as it was then down to “the senior players coaching the team”.
It’s about time HM,who no one dared criticised throughout this rollercoaster tenure of his, gets the same treatment.
@ Macro
Which sections of the public now?
7 @ Rage:
Road rage, you don’t think Heyneke Meyer cops weekly stick about his supposed preference for Bulls players or his game plans… or even this week for being Afrikaans…or being naiive… or about race issues?
I think Springbok coach critisism is part and parcel of the job description!
There will always be supporters and detractors, no matter who is coach!
Rage wrote:
Hear hear
9 @ grootblousmile:
There is a difference between being taken on in the social media by bloggers on various sites, and being taken on by the rugby reporters.
Meyer has been given a free ride by almost all of the writers and newspapers since the start of his tenure….even after two losses against the Aussies and AB’s those losses were “romanticized” and he and the team were praised for how “they should have won” and how “they nearly won.
After Saturday all of a sudden the eye claps seems to have come off from many other fronts as well.
We will be going into the WC on 6 losses in all probability, so let’s see how they handle that.
Jake has been called a snake oil salesman for so long, but IMO Heyneke is the biggest conman of them all, he managed to wrap the public and scribes around his finger by chest thumping and saying all the right things for too long.
He has now been found out and Bok rugby is on such a downward spiral that it’s almost not even worth watching them play anymore
Rage wrote:
The non white section of course.
I am talking as a white male growing up in the modern SA, but I know enough to know that people want to feel represented, but in this four years we have heard very little of Ricardo, and of course from the other assistants as well, as Meyer takes it on himself to be the front of the team, which is fair.
It is too late know though, if Meyer started bringing Ricardo to every second news conference people would see right through it, coaching in SA is also a political position, which guys like Jake played fairly well to a sense.
10 @ nortie:
Your opinion is duly noted.
@ nortie:
So you honestly think a few articles by rugby scribes will carry more pressure than social media? Sorry no ways… people have been pretty harsh on social media for 4 years.
13 @ MacroPolo:
Your opinion I share…
Opinion travels around every braai, around every pub and around each rugby Stadium.
I’ve been present during conversation amongst some of these rugby scribes when Heyneke has been the topic of conversation for years now and it’s been opinions from one extreme to the next, depending on which publication we are talking about and which scribe represented those opinions.
Anyway, people are welcome to their perceptions.
@ nortie:
This is a quote from Jannie after his excellent game vs Australia
“Criticism, give me one guy who it doesn’t affect, that man will be a liar.”
“It does affect you. The thing about criticism, if you’re a player you’ve had enough criticism in your life to know how to deal with it and whose opinion counts.
“The thing about criticism is that it really hurts your family more than you and people confront them.”
I think criticism on social media hits hardest, personally.
GBS
Oh all Bok coaches gets it, for sure…The stick that he’s been copping is pretty mild though,compared to what PDV and even Jake White had to endure.Just look on this very forum how some bloggers got flamed for questioning his tactics and selections.
For some reason,HM appeared to be exempt from criticism,but the chickens came home to roost in Durban.Only now it’s OK for people to openly question his methods with even some staunch Bull supporters admitting that he might not be the Bok Messiah they thought him to be.A 4-match losing streak (dating back to Wales last year) and no TriNations/RC title in 4 years says it all.Just not acceptable for the mighty Bokke to plod along like this.
@10 Nortie
Your thoughts on the matter mirror mine almost verbatim.
MacroPolo wrote:
I’m not disagreeing that the people on social media is harsh…just reading news24 makes one cringe, but those opinions do not count.
The newspaper articles and journalist opinions are the ones carrying weight, and HM has had a very easy time from them in the last 4 years.
PdV has more international silverware that HM could dream of, yet compare what was written about him against what has been written about HM.
@ Rage:
Look Meyer and the boks deserve fair share for a 4 game losing streak and they are sure getting it, before this losing streak the longest losing streak for Meyers boks was 2 games.
in comparison, P divvy had 2, 4 game losing streaks, Jake had a 5 game losing streak followed by a 3 game losing streak… I am not going to go back to read all the news articles, but i think it is during those periods criticism was the hardest.
16 @ Rage:
Spot on
17 @ nortie:
refer to 18.
@ 11 Macro
Fair enough.I guess it wouldn’t have hurt to drag Loubser along to do a presser or two over the years.
19 @ MacroPolo:
With Jake we knew he sent his “B” side and they duly got clobbered and he had a bad streak, but by then he had won a Tri Nations at least.
Last Saturday HM was proclaiming that he was picking his strongest side because losing at home is not acceptable…..yeah right, and now he is in a corner.
It won’t even bother me if HM gets 4 more years to plod along, saves me from reconnecting my DSTV for another 4 years, and at R700 odd bucks a month that will be quite a saving
@ nortie:
Absolutely no doubt about it, we lost a lot of momentum on Saturday, after fairly competitive results the two games prior, so Saturday could not be held as the standard of bok rugby for the last 4 years.
As i have been saying for the last few weeks, the team is mentally fragile, because no player other than Habana has even won anything in the last 5 years, we are a bunch of losers, unable to win high intensity games (read lasting 80 minutes).
24 @ nortie:
Where did you get DSTV for R 700.00 a month, I am paying R 799.00 per month… the farkers are seeing me coming from a mile away… hehehe
On the serious side, maybe it’s because I have the Dualview system…
The VROULIKE familie all watching kak like Masterchef or Idols or some soapies, whilst I have my own Sport Channel all to myself, that alone is worth another R 1 400.00 bucks on it’s own per month!
I think we will still be competitive in the world cup though, but i have my doubts to wether we can win 3 play off games, or one for that matter.
We will probably do well in the pool stages and bomb in the quarter finals.
nortie wrote:
How will you keep abreast with your SuperBru without it?
@ grootblousmile:
😆
Is dit al so duur?
Ek is seker nou al n maand wat ek besluit het te hel met dit, betaal dit net vir rugby en die Bokke is so kak dat hulle dit nie werd is nie
Victoriabok wrote:
Superbru het a live games feature 😆
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