Los Pumas (9) 12 / 26 (20) Springboks (Final Score)
The Argentinian Pumas and South African Springboks did battle in a Rugby World Cup warm-up match at
Vélez Sarsfield, Buenos Aires at 21:40 SA Time (16:40 ARG Time, 19:40 GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Los Pumas:
- Penalties – Nicolas Sanchez (4)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Springboks:
- Penalties – Pat Lambie (3)
- Drop Goals – Pat Lambie (1)
- Tries – Bryan Habana (1), Lwazi Mvovo (1)
- Conversions – Pat Lambie (2)
Teams:
Argentinian Pumas |
South African Springboks |
| 15 August at 21:40 SA Time | |
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Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Romain Poite (France), Mike Fraser (New Zealand)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)
@ MacroPolo:
Jy verstaan/lees heeltemal verkeerd. Dis nie HM se skuld dat spelers oorsee gaan speel nie. Ons stem saam dat die ekonomie ‘n rol speel.
Dis wel HM se skuld dat hierdie spelers wat oorsee gaan, nog steeds vir die Bokke mag speel. Hy’t daai deur oopgemaak.
@ Nama:
Maar dit is nie wat spelers oorsee dryf nie, dit maak net deure gelukkig/ongelukkig oop vir sommige spelers,
Maar dit is nie die oorsaak van ons verswakte lokale spanne nie.
maar die ekonomie oorskadu dit heeltemal, meer as enigiets donder dit daai spelers rond, dis omtrent net habana, louw en Pienaar wat gereeld kon speel? die ander spelers het maar teasers gekry.
@ MacroPolo:
But he didn’t just complain about that in 2012, Macro.
He also did so in 2013, when the Bulls reached the semis. (his support staff was in place by then, not so)
He did it again last year when the Sharks reached the semis. (Support staff was still in place)
So, this year we had no team in the semis which gave us 2 extra weeks to train before the 1st test and your contention is that it was a bad thing?
@ Nama:
Maybe HM getting four more years isn’t a bad thing….I’m sure Fourie will be fit by then.
Power of positive thinking mate….visual exercise of Matfield holding aloft the Webb Ellis trophy in Tokyo.
@ nortie:
Wel die trein is effens onstpoor na 4 games in n ry verloor, stry nie daarmee nie.
@ Nama:
Any sources of him complaining?
453 @ Nama:
as in the context of the complaint, was it something like, “well its completely unfair we only get one week with the whole squad and thats why we might lose” or was it something like “well only one week to prepare is not ideal for our preparation”
@ MacroPolo:
Wel, ek dink daar is ‘n parrallel tussen ons spanne se vertoning in SR die afgelope paar jaar en die oop deur beleid van HM wat oorsese spelers betref.
Nama wrote:
My entire arguement is based on the fact that the bulk of our squad has no recent experience of winning closely contested high intensity battles, and that especially makes our bench vulnerable.
Nama wrote:
Wel dit is hoe jy dit wil en gaan sien, daar is niks wat dit kan verander nie, als Meyer se skuld 🙂
@ nortie:
Ja, dit het hom omtrent 6 jaar geneem om die Bulle ‘n krag te maak. So, miskien is ons te haastig. HM se Bokke sal teen 2017 waarlik ‘n krag in wereldrugby wees en darem die AB meer wen as wat hulle verloor. Die WB in 2019 is so goed as gewen.
Net geduldig wees.
457 @ MacroPolo:
What does it matter? The message it sends out is a negative one.
Did you hear Hansen say something like that this year when two AB teams contested in the final? In fact, he rested those players an extra week or two and carried on with his job.
@ MacroPolo:
@ Nama:
SR is no longer the overriding criteria for Bok selection.
SR form doesn’t mean you will be selected or not selected.
Some of the players who were the best in their positions weren’t given a glance by HM, others who earn their money in Japan and only use SR to supplement their pensions were continuously selected.
Where you play and how you play doesn’t mean much….it all boils down to the national coach and his game p,an and the players who he feels best fit into that plan.
So, if the team fails it’s not down to the franchise coaches who didn’t adhere to his wishes ( how many games did HM rest his star players in 2007 to make things easier for Jake?)
It all boils down to the coach
@ Nama:
two AB teams = two NZ teams
462 @ nortie:
Amen and amen.
And yet his followers won’t accept that he should take responsibility when the team does badly.
It’s always the players (who should take responsibility as well), the franchises, franchise coaches, referees, TMO’s, etc. etc.
Just never HM. The man walks on water.
@ Nama:
@ nortie:
So you guys consider me a “follower” just because I refuse to blame everything on Meyer, I have stated a few times that he deserves blame for the losses this year, but that is not fitting the status quo of Meyer bashing, anyone with an alternative viewpoint to meyer bashing only does so as blind defense of meyer and any argument they have is rubbished in the mutual masturbation of meyer bashing?
I just believe that below par performances of our franchises has an affect… and if my argument is completely written off as worthless Meyer propaganda, then fuck you too 😀
465 @ MacroPolo:
There are 2 factions when it comes to Meyer.
Bull supporters who still love him for 2007 and the rest of the country who don’t have an emotional attachment to him.
Both groups were pleased when he was selected as Bok coach and I’m sure both groups were of the opinion that his track record justified the appointment.
The former group were quick to tell everyone how great he will be and how the Boks are at last in safe hands after that “dismal Divvie”
The difference is, after 4 years he has not achieved anything, not even close to the achievements of “dismal Divvie” mind you.
Yet, so many of the former group cling onto the memory of SR 2007 and will not tolerate hearing any wrong about him.
The majority of supporters however have come to realize that life and rugby has moved on since 2007 and that he is a man out of time and out of place
@ MacroPolo:
It is you who decide, all on your own, to jump to his defence every time you see a hint of criticism leveled at HM in anyone’s post.
@ nortie:
Well said. So very well said.
@ nortie:
My opinion on our bad SR form is devoid of pro or anti Meyer sentiment, you guys chose to swiftly throw it into the pro-meyer column. and then swung it into a a “Meyer” debate as if that is the entire bases of any opinion someone may have over the springboks.
If someone said, “well we are missing a few players to injury”, you and Nama will spit your dummies out and come shouting at that guy for being a Meyer apologist for example.
Nama wrote:
no no no my whole argument was about super rugby form, YOU are the one with the straw man.
It is my contention that the next Springbok coach should be an outsider, with no provincial ties, come in clean and select on form.
I honestly believe that it would be the best thing.
Well Nama and Nortie, enjoy playing with your straw men 🙂
Stormersboy wrote:
I tend to agree with you on that.
469 @ MacroPolo:
Injuries happen to every international team.
Let’s use injuries and HM as an example of SR form then.
Duane is his first choice nr 8 and is injured.
Does he use the next best nr 8 in SR, which I’m sure you would agree was Whitely, to fill the void? No, Schalk is recycled as Bok nr 8
JdV is out, and Jan is injured. Does he use the next best nr 13 in SR, which was Mapoe as I’m sure you would agree to fill the void? No, He selects Kriel out of position….and then even further out of position at wing as well for good measure.
Where does SR form fit into these plans of his?
Mvovo was selected yesterday because the Kriel experiment at wing failed and he felt the heat from COSATU, not because he rates Mvovo.
Mvovo won’t be selected in the crunch games come WC, if we reach any crunch games mind you.
474 @ nortie:
Gosh i said that sarcastically and you actually went for it 😆 😆 😆 bloody hell its even worse than i thought.
Super turbo straw mode 😆
@ Stormersboy:
Who? Any ideas.
Personally I think a guy like Gert Smal had been out of the country long enough (since 2008, if I’m not mistaken) and is still too short a time back at WP to be clouded by the provincial tendencies that HM is being accused of, so to speak. I think he would be a perfect fit to appease everybody, unless the people in the northern parts of the country hold something against him that I’m not aware of.
@ MacroPolo:
Just be careful that you don’t run out of air with your head in the sand. There’s still time to pull back. 😉
@ Nama:
I would be inclined to go with a non-South African.
There are plenty out there who would jump at the chance to coach the 2nd best rugby team in the world
Hell, if Bafana Bafana could employ Carlos Q why can’t we go for an outsider?
Stormersboy wrote:
Ireland already have a decent coach 😆
Anyone interested in coaching the 5th…..and sliding….best team?
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