Los Pumas (9) 12 / 26 (20) Springboks (Final Score)
The Argentinian Pumas and South African Springboks did battle in a Rugby World Cup warm-up match at
Vélez Sarsfield, Buenos Aires at 21:40 SA Time (16:40 ARG Time, 19:40 GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Los Pumas:
- Penalties – Nicolas Sanchez (4)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Springboks:
- Penalties – Pat Lambie (3)
- Drop Goals – Pat Lambie (1)
- Tries – Bryan Habana (1), Lwazi Mvovo (1)
- Conversions – Pat Lambie (2)
Teams:
Argentinian Pumas |
South African Springboks |
| 15 August at 21:40 SA Time | |
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Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Romain Poite (France), Mike Fraser (New Zealand)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)
@ Nama:
Its very kak reading no doubt… Well my point for weeks now is that almost non of our players know how to win… If you look at the win ratio of all our players in superrugby the last 5 years its not very good reading at all, and when the stormers (2011,2012) bulls (2013) sharks (2014) good into good positions they choked dramatically when it mattered.
Of the current squad very few players have even enjoyed currie cup success, lambie won the 2013 cc almsot singlehandedly… So credit where its due.
Maybe the problem with pollard is the public pressure of him being a wonder boy who kicks line kicks for touch over 70m. Not even a 80%+ kicking ratio is good enough for pollard. And when he kicks every kick better be perfect or he is having an average to poor game.
And even springbok losses is squarely on the shoulders of pollard.
“Of the current squad very few players have even enjoyed currie cup success”… Over the last five years
@ Angostura:
In ’n onderhoud Woensdagaand met Rapport se Eduan Roos het Ehrenreich vir De Allende om verskoning gevra vir die blaps nadat hy “die vorige aand” uitgevind het sy pa is bruin.
“Ons sien hom nou as ’n kleurling. Hy is een van ons mense,” het Ehrenreich gesê. (Lees die volledige onderhoud op bl. 3 van Weekliks.)
Hieroor is die De Allende-familie baie geamuseer. Damian se pa, Tony de Allende, wat van Spaanse afkoms is, sê hulle het hulle nog nooit as bruin gesien nie. Hulle is wit.
“Wat Tony sê, is nonsens. Hy moet gaan seker maak van sy feite. Hy sal enigiets sê om aandag te trek.
“Wat maak dit saak of Damian wit of bruin is?” wou De Allende sr. weet.
“Hierdie kwessie kom nou al jare. Ek en my eksvrou, Beverly, Damian se ma, ignoreer dit net altyd. Ons gee regtig nie om nie. Al wat vir ons belangrik is, is dat Damian goed rugby speel.”
Beverly de Allende wou nie kommentaar lewer oor die kwessie nie.
“Damian is een van my twee seuns waarvoor ek baie lief is. En hy is gekies om die no. 12-trui te dra omdat hy goed is,” is al wat sy wou sê.
Stooopid neh, but this is SA after all.
*Eks seker nou weer in die kak by die baas.*
Loose shot by van Wyk
None of us will ever agree completely on a Rugby World Cup squad… and Heyneke will select those he deems right.
If we just go back inside THIS comment thread, you will see what I mean…
Nama & Myself agree that Mapoe should be the 3rd centre & not Jan Serfontein… McLook asks why Mapoe and not Serfontein.
Some don’t want Morné Steyn to go and prefer Elton Jantjies.. others prefer Morné Steyn over Jantjies.
Some like Zane Kirchner as fullback – in fact Pietman prefers Kirchner over Willie le Roux to start in Northern Hemisphere conditions over an erratic Willie le Roux, some of us want Willie to start due to his X-factor.
I would drop Jean de Villiers and some will vehiminently disagree with me – but we know Jean will be picked by Heyneke Meyer no matter what.
All of us here seem to prefer Lwazi Mvovo at right wing over JP Pietersen & Cornal Hendricks, while some others & Heyneke might see it otherwise.
Some do not want Francois Hougaard in the side, some say he should have been there in the first place.
Some want Pollard to start next to Damian de Allende & Jesse Kriel, some want Lambie to start.
Some do not want Victor Matfield in the squad, some say he is unmissible.
What I’m trying to say is, if all of us do not even agree, it means there will always be moans and grouns about the squad Heyneke Meyer ultimately selects, one way or the other.
Whatever the squad selected by Heyneke Meyer, 90% of the squad would be everybody’s choice players (call it the core of the squad if you will)… and we’d all be moaning about the other 10% who are the subjective and arguable selections…
I know one thing, I’ll stand by the squad selected… and I’ll shout my lungs out for them in the Rugby World Cup!
And another observation. Few people have mentioned matfield influence yesterday, had he played laat week and jdv played and captained this week there would have been 4 pages on how awesome jean is funny how things work 😆
Welcome to springbok rugby
@ MacroPolo:
He is the pivot and part of the spine. If your team does not perform well that is where you start to look…your spine. If they all perform well and you still lose it means that your combinations outside of your spine is at fault.
HM’s spine for his preferred Bok team is, afa I can gather:
Hooker: Bissie
Tight head: Jannie
Lock: Victor
No. 8: Vermeulen
No. 9: FdP
10: Pollard
12: JdV
15:???
Now, who of those players did not perform well against Aus, NZ and Arg? Victor, Vermeulen, FdP and JdV did not play against Aus and NZ but their replacements, Lood, Schalla, Pienaar and De Allende performed well, as did the Dup brothers. Who’s the odd one out? JdV did play against the Argies and was, with Pollard, also a weak link.
Nowhere did I try to suggest that Pollard is solely responsible for the losses but clearly, he is a big contributing factor.
@ Nama:
What impact does the springboks playing a more expansive gameplan (yes even the lions) have?
Regarding finishing and even playing the whole game. We are also kicking much less than the franchises.
Not going well at the cricket, it looks like.
399 @ Nama:
Problem is, Lambie also played cameos off the bench against the Wallabies, All Blacks, last week’s Pumas and now as starter this week against the Pumas.
… and the only game he was not shit, and was very good in fact, was last night.
In the other games he was absolutely horrendous… to his defence it must be said though that he came back from injury just prior to the Internationals of 2015.
Think the Bokke missed a chance to give Elton Jantjies a run somewhere in these lot of tests… and for that matter Morné Steyn too… one understands it however because the rationale was to build vital partnerships and get them used to playing next to one another… like the Pollard, De Allende & Jesse Kriel combo!
So, who is our best flyhalf… and who should go as 3rd flyhalf between Elton & Morné?
My guess is as good as yours.
Anyway… As my flight finally boards. Chat later.
@ MacroPolo:
Huh?
The fact that morne played in a team and had part in them winning a huge competition counts in his favor over elton… I think.
Again elton is penalised for being nowhere last year.
Which puts morne in the column of match/competition/finals winners… Something largely missing from the current squad.
@ grootblousmile:
“…and who should go as No 3 between Elton & Morné?”
For a once off tournament like the World Cup, I’d go with Morne and I believe HM will too.
I would obviously not have Pollard as one of my top 2 FH’s to begin with.
407 @ Nama:
Yeah, like I indicated, we all have our subjective choices…
The anti-Morné Steyn brigade will… or should be on your back shortly!
The pro Pollard brigade have already had their say to some extent.
The Lambie brigade is now probably fuming that you did not even mention him…
Different strokes for different folks. It’s the nature of things.
Heyneke Meyer can select whoever he wants.
At the end of the day, it is his neck that is on the line.
@ MacroPolo:
match/competition/finals winners
Jannie: RWC, 3N, CC
Bissie, RWC, 3N, CC
Beast: 3N, CC
Victor: RWC, 3N, SR, CC
Etzebeth: CC
Schalk: RWC, 3N, CC
Brussow: 3N
Vermeulen: CC
FdP: RWC, 3N, SR, CC, Japanese league?
Pienaar: RWC, 3N,
Morne: 3N, SR,
…eks nou moeg gedink. Dan het ek nog nie eens by Habana uitgekom nie wat saam met Toulon ook ‘n paar kompetitsies gewen het. Waar kom jy nou weer aan die “angle”.
@ IAAS:
Koeeerek!
That’s one way of looking at it…not the only way though.
63 needed from 5 overs.
Will it be Miller-time?
47 Needed off 14 balls for the Blomme.
Miller out.
All over rover…
The cricket just frustrates me…
45 needed off just 12 balls.
It’s not nearly going to happen!
Nama wrote:
Miller only plays his “match winning” innings during the IPL.
New Zealand Black caps win by 32 runs.
T20 series shared
@Macro
You say that Elton’s form in 2014 counts against him, but if that is the case then it’s a bit harsh don’t you think?
Look how badly out of form Habana was for a few seasons at the Stormers, yet he was never dropped from the Bok team.
Pollards form in this year’s SR didn’t exactly set the world alight either.
As GBS mentioned, selections will always be contentious.
The question Bok supporters should be asking is why did we peak in the previous years, and now that it’s WC crunch time we are faltering?
We played like nr 2 in the world for the first couple of years (against all but NZ) but now am certainly looking like nr 5 on the rankings.
That must be placed squarely on the coaching team and brains trusts, yet when it is, they are being supported even harder than some of the players.
Wat jy saai sal jy maai…..en HM is nou besig om te maai wat hy gesaai het
394 @ Nama:
I’ve noted what Mr de Allende, snr, has stated.
A contrary averment has been doing the rounds & receiving coverage in the media for some time already (more than a year). I wonder what gave rise to this baseless rumour mongering.
Be that as it may, I believe it does not matter one iota to most bloggers over here whether Damian is white, coloured or anything else; we are just happy that he is in the Bok team! But does it matter to you what Damian’s ethnicity is? And because of race composition directives governing SA rugby selection at most levels, it does matter (quite a lot, I imagine) to SA Rugby and our Government what any and every SA rugby player’s race is. Strange that both institutions permitted this baseless rumour to continue for so long.
I see both of Damian’s parents share his surname and I had previously gleaned from several sources that Damian was reared in a single parent home. Do you perhaps know, were his parents divorced before he was born?
IAAS wrote:
Not if he is already assured another 4 years at the helm
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