Springboks (22) 46 / 10 (10) World XV (Final Score)
The South African Springboks and World XV did battle in an International match at
DHL Newlands, Cape Town at 17:00 SA Time (15:00 GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Springboks:
- Penalties – Handré Pollard (1)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Damian de Allende (2), Eben Etzebeth (1), Willie le Roux (3), Cobus Reinach (1)
- Conversions – Handré Pollard (2), Pat Lambie (2)
Word XV:
- Penalties – Mike Harris (1)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Craig Burden (1)
- Conversions – Mike Harris (1)
Teams:
South African Springboks |
World XV |
| 11 July at 17:00 SA Time | |
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Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Assistant Referees: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa), Jason Jaftha (South Africa)
TMO: Deon van Blommestein (South Africa)
over* it… because I am not obsessed about which provincial players got picked and who didn’t.
@ MacroPolo:
You mean to say that you truly think he should’ve been in the squad?
@ Nama:
Yes, pretty much all our teams was mediocre to poor in comparison to the Australasian’s. Positions 7-11 is fairly mediocre…
So lets drop the seasoned veterans and select the Stormers and Lions backlines who could barely score tries?
Or Select the Stormers scrum, yes, they were pretty good, and the ONLY thing keeping the Stormers in games… well they got selected, I hope they get their chances.
Other than that? Are you being Serious? Who else?
Nama wrote:
No I am just making an example of Lappies who could truely have been on the fringes, but with the other players available had little chance. Hougie should have been there, but we also know rugby is a political game… Hopefully he can still prove himself during the CC and give it his all. Staying here instead of going to Japan to try get into the RWC squad makes me like him even more.
MacroPolo wrote:
And who could not be rooting for him, whatever your provincial affiliation? one of the rare players willing to stay here to get into the springbok team, instead of leaving to Europe because they are not being selected or not playing the position they want to play… well for now.
@ MacroPolo:
Yes, let’s drop some of the dead wood. That would be a start.
Koch, Malherbe ahead of Jannie.
Kitshoff, Heinkie, Nyakane ahead of Beast.
Bekker ahead of Matfield
Some of the young “future superstars” as well.
Jantjies ahead of Pollard.
Mapoe ahead of Janneman/Kriel (the last mentioned player should fight for a FB place)
Faf de Klerk ahead of Paige.
That would be a start. I cannot for the life of me see how those changes will weaken the Bok team. If you can, feel free to point it out to me.
Bang going along nicely. Scored 62 runs in 11 overs from our quickies befre Amla introduced a spinner. Tahir and Duminy will be key, I think. Maybe even Behardien can come into play here with his slow medium pace bowling.
@ Nama:
Well I would be inclined to give Kriel a go at 13, and Mapoe on the bench for the next 2 or 3 games. Kriel could be a valuable replacement player going in the world cup.
Pollard is by far the best attacking flyhalf in the country, but that is not good enough for the bokke, who need a flyhalf that can manage territory as well as kick his goals at a 80%+ success rate, we can’t live with a 70% kicker like the NZ teams or All Blacks, because it is just not our game, here is where Morne and Lambie are now likely the front runners imo, So it would also be ideal if Morne and Lambie gets gametime now. You guys are really underrating Rudi Paige and he will be a big surprise to you all, Faf also only has a 65% tackle success rate, which is a fairly big red flag in my opinion if we want to compete for higher honours instead of 8th (Still like the guy, but I can understand why he could have missed out)
Bekker, was a huge flop for the bokke when HM selected him, it was supposed to be his time out of Matfields shadows and he bottled it, it eventually led to Matfield coming back from retirement… there is no reason to believe he will be a super lock now.
I am not a big fan of Beast and Jannie, but all the props you mention are in the mix.
Actually Faf has a tackle success rate of 50%, he misses every second tackle.
@ MacroPolo:
For a fair comparison you should put Paige’s tackle rate up as well.
How do the other stats compare, Mr Statsman-when-it-suits-you?
@ Nama:
75%
76.190% to be exact 😆
@ MacroPolo:
“Bekker, was a huge flop for the bokke when HM selected him, it was supposed to be his time out of Matfields shadows and he bottled it, it eventually led to Matfield coming back from retirement… there is no reason to believe he will be a super lock now.”
Hoe het jy by Langbek uitgekom? Is hy nog in die prentjie?
Here’s how tey compared on in SR. Rudy Paige’s stats 1st.
ATTACK
14 Games played 16
846 Minutes played 805
0 Tries 5
0 Points 25
42 Carries 70
152 Metres 464
4 Clean Breaks 12
8 Defenders Beaten 15
2 Offloads 8
7 Try Assists 5
583 Passes 574
54 Open play kicks 36
0 Lineout catches 1
DEFENCE
42 Tackles 28
10 Missed Tackles 15
80.8% Tackles Success 65.1%
8 Turnovers Conceded 12
Not sure where you get the stats that says Faf has a success rate of 50%
@ Pietman:
Ne meer nie.
Bakkies het gisteraand vir my iets interressants gese tydens sy onderhoud. Hy het genoem dat dit sy laaste wedstryd op Nuweland was, nie dat dit sy LAASTE wedstryd was nie. Kan ‘n mens iets daarin lees?
Bangladesh cruising along to victory here. It’s theirs to lose now.
@ Nama:
Yep that is on the NZ herald site.
The Vodacom app has it has
Paige
42 tackles 10 missed
Faf
26 tackles 13 missed
I misscalculated a bit, you are correct Faf would be in about the 65-67% Range with Paige being 80%, to compare, Aaron Smith is at 75% (His kicking game puts him on another new level though).
I degress, it is not 50%, Paige is not 76%, but Faf’s defense is fairly shakey, I remain with my initial statement though, his defense is not good enough.
Pietman wrote:
Nama wil he hulle moet Bekker kies instede van Matfield…
@ Nama:
@ MacroPolo:
OK, ek is nou uiteindelik ook by, danksy Angostura se verduideliking.
Ons praat dus van twee soorte spanne, een vir die 4 Nasies toernooi, en dan uiteindelik die een wat ons wereldbeker toe wil stuur, is ek NOU by?
En HM wil nou om die beurt soveel moontlik van sy potensiele WB spelers n finale speelkans/ruskans gee?
@ MacroPolo:
Any comment about their stats on attack or does it not matter?
287 @ Nama:
It has previously been reported that 9 frontrowers will be selected for the RWC. And considering HM is taking 9 frontrowers to Australia for a mere single match (in which only 6 can feature), he is certainly going to take 9 frontrowers to the RWC, a tournament spanning several matches which should see the Bokke progress to at least the QFs, and perhaps even the SFs or all the way to the Final.
(imo) ALL the injured, unfit (or disinterested) players (except for Jean who on Saturday proved his recovery, & is now going to work on his match fitness) are unlikely to make the RWC, especially those who had recent neck operations like Coenie & Duane, as well as those suffering from multiple injuries like Willem A. Loosehead prop is a position (which viewed objectively from selections during HM’s tenure) is reserved for black players. Certain positions are reserved to meet race targets. It follows that either Heinke or Steven K would be HMs 3rd choice loosehead. He’ll be inclined to favour that 3rd choice loosehead that is fit and has recently been part of the (active) squad. (A Heinke in the hand is worth two Coenies in the bush).
(imo) At this very late stage (to recover from injury AND prove match fitness) there is realistically a greater than even chance that none of the following stalwarts, form players or HM favourites will make the final RWC 31:
Coenie, Steven, Duane, Willem, PSdT, Fourie dP, Fransie S, Jaque F.
What’s more, HM seems to favour a 17/14 split (containing 9 frontrowers) – (imo) the only reason to limit the forwards to 17 is to make up peremptory magic numbers amongst the backs.
I believe HM has shown his hand and has selected his preferred FIT squad for AUS. Only thing that is virtually certain is that Jean dV will return as centre & captain. I think there is an outside chance that Fourie dP and Frans S can still be included. Sadly, I think that for Duane, Willem, PSDT, Steven & Jacque F it will prove to a bridge too far.
Thus in the current squad I surmise that Cobus Reinach might have to make way for Fourie du Preez; Jesse Kriel, Jan Serfontein and/or Lionel Mapoe for Jean de Villiers and/or Frans Steyn; & (but a very remote chance) Warren Whiteley for Duane Vermeulen; and Lood de Jager or Teboho Mohoje for PSDT or Willem Alberts.
But as nortie often points out, it is not your, my or anyone else’s opinion that counts, but HM’s (& may I add, that of the Ministry of Sport) ….
@ MacroPolo:
Daai was ‘n bietjie aas om te kyk of jy byt. Ons weet mos hoe julle voel oor Die Prins van Pretoria aka Ou Duifbors.
Ek is egter doodernstig oor di ander.
320 @ Nama:
Really difficult to compare, Nick Groom made over 700 passes, does that prove that the Stormers ran with the ball more? Also difficult to compare their kicking game, which is essential for international scrumhalves, it is something you simply cant do without.
How do you compare
Nic Groom vs Aaron Smith?
2 Tries 7
10 Points 35
77 Carries 68
271 Metres 241
12 Clean Breaks 13
4 Defenders Beaten 13
15 Offloads 8
3 Try Assists 10
791 Passes 902
38 Open play kicks 156
and then De Klerk vs Groom
5 Tries 2
25 Points 10
70 Carries 77
464 Metres 271
12 Clean Breaks 12
15 Defenders Beaten 4
8 Offloads 15
5 Try Assists 3
574 Passes 791
36 Open play kicks 38
Nama wrote:
En ons almal weet hoe voel jy 🙂
@ MacroPolo:
“Nama wil he hulle moet Bekker kies instede van Matfield…”
Wragtag!
@ Nama:
Duifbors en Langbek!!!!
@ Angostura:
Thanks for your opinion.
“A. Loosehead prop is a position (which viewed objectively from selections during HM’s tenure) is reserved for black players.”
You came to that conclusion during a period in which it so happened that Beast and Gurthro were the best in that position or were there, in your opinion, other players before now that should’ve been selected in that position?
Because if that is the case that LH and others like wing/FB are the positions reserved for black players, then we have moerse problems going forward. One would also then like to know who made that decision? It does explain the non inclusion of certain players, who played in other positions, during HM’s tenure as coach to a certain degree. Does not mean that one therefor should be quiet about it, does it?
The fact that my opinion does not count one iota does not mean that I can’t still make it known on public forums such as this.
Angostura wrote:
“But as nortie often points out, it is not your, my or anyone else’s opinion that counts, but HM’s (& may I add, that of the Ministry of Sport) ….”
Ag fokkit toggie, ja…Fikile moet ook nog gelukkig gehou word
As dit van hom afhang, dan gaan Sepaka, Simange, Nkumani en Kaya Motlatla ook dalk opgeroep word….
@ Pietman:
Jammer vir lang intro, vingerfout! Verwys slegs na laaste paragraaf van Angustura, asseblief.
@ MacroPolo:
So, let’s then compare Paige and Groom’s stats on defence. Paige 1st.
14 Games played 16
846 Minutes played 952
42 Tackles 81
10 Missed Tackles 12
80.8% Tackles Success 87.1%
Should not Groom be there ahead of Paige then?
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