Wiaan Liebenberg
Montpellier coach Jake White has his sights set on luring young Blue Bulls loose forward Wiaan Liebenberg to France.
The 22-year-old former Baby Bok captain is currently not in the Bulls’ Super Rugby plans – which makes a move to France very likely.
Loose forwards like Lappies Labuschagne, Pierre Spies, Arno Botha, Deon Stegmann and his brother Hanro are ahead of Liebenberg in the pecking order at the Bulls.
White recently also secured the services of Bulls forward Jacques du Plessis and Stormers flyhalf Demetri Catrakilis.
Other South Africans at Montpellier are Shaun Sowerby (assistant coach), Wynand Olivier (centre), Robert Ebersohn (centre) and Pat Cilliers (prop).
Sport24
I do not have a problem with Wiaan Liebenberg looking for alternatives, seeing as he’s been relegated to Tuks captain by the Bulls and does not have a Super Rugby contract.
He should have been well in the mix as a logical replacement for Deon Stegmann, if you ask me.
However, I do have a problem with him going to play for the man who has no loyalties, except to himself… Jake the Snake White. Jake will bite him from behind, sure as I sit here!
@ grootblousmile:
As far as I can tell, this is only coming from Jakes side?
Also there seems to be a lot of excuses regarding Wiaan, He was released? or he asked to be released from contract to concentrate on his studies?… Whatever the case, it is a free market and a free world, loyalties has left the room ever since we grew up NOT all doing what ever job our parents did.
@ grootblousmile:
He should have been given the opportunity to play last year but Ludeke played Jonno Ross
2 @ MacroBull:
I’ve been in contact with someone close to Wiaan, via E-Mail, a while ago already, and it’s confirmed he would be considering overseas options.
It was also clear that things are not always well in the Bulls camp, as far as contracting and communications are concerned…
grootblousmile wrote:
No use having a contract and never getting a chance to play
If the Bulls coach keep playing inferior players like Jonno and Callie ahead of up and coming stars they should leave
@ Victoriabok:
Strange how things work this year Ross is making 10x as much money as last year, he is also a regular starter for the team placed second in the Top 14.
6 @ MacroBull:
They MUST be low on loosies and very high on quality players in all other positions to make up for it… hehehe
@ grootblousmile:
Of Ludeke het net te veel kak in sy kop gepraat 🙂 “jy moet n fetcher wees” bah
Nee kyk, mense het hom verlede jaar al die skuld gegee, maar Ross kan darem se hyt nog nooit n SR game op Loftus verloor nie.
Ek glo nie hy was great nie, ons het ook n klomp voospelers gehad wat beseer wat, maar die ou het sommet al die skuld gekry, en lyk my ons het die jaar weer dieselle kak.
grootblousmile wrote:
I also read on the Bulls site that Wiaan and Hanro wants to play together (rugby) one day.
I agree, this seems very clear. As good as I believe Matfield was last year, there is a serious sense of entitlement also these days.
8 @ MacroBull:
Die Bulls se breakdown spel was baie goed teen die Sharks gewees… en van die ouer hande soos Matfield en Stegmann het hard gespeel.
Lappies op blindside is ‘n groot aanwins vir die Bulls… en vir ‘n verandering het Adriaan Strauss ook 80 minute gespeel.
Dean Greyling was weer werklik lus om te speel, en toe Marcel van der Merwe opkom as plaasvervanger was hy ook sommer witwarm.
Selfs Jacques du Plessis wat die vorige weke lui en slapgat was, was honger gewees.
Daar was vir ‘n verandering durf en deursettingsvermoë in die Bulls te bespeur… hulle was onder druk oor hulle swak spel in Rondtes 1 en 2, dit was duidelik!
No more Tuesday night = Pub night?
I’ll just have to pour my own drink & crank up the jukebox.
Here’s some good seffrikan muzak from my youth:
And to show it wasn’t a flash in the pan, here are John Kongos’s sons a generation later perpetuating the family tradition (apparently this is called “loyalty” in the Macrobullian vernacular) under the name & style of Kongos … & doing a good job of it too:
11 @ Angostura:
Eish, I am so bloody snowed under from work man… do not even always get the time to put all the relevant rugby news on… so PUB NIGHT has had to take a bit of a back seat, as there simply were some bigger fires to kill, as a result of which my time just did not allow it.
… but I am catching up with a huge lot, so soon things should be back to a normal weekly routine…
I have taken on oodles of extra work in my IT business, because I seem bloody incapable of saying NO to people who need my help… on the one hand it’s good because the tills keep rolling, on the other hand I have slept less and less and it catches up to you when you hit the half-century, like I did last year.
MacroBull wrote:
Ludeke het nie net hom ‘n fetcher prober maak nie, sommer kaptein ook
Terwyl Wiaan die job kan doen
MacroBull wrote:
Hanro will join his brother in France soon in Frans keep picking him on the bench and don’t use him
He’s twice the player Spies is, and will only get better
grootblousmile wrote:
Dean is altyd woelig, dit sal my nie verbaas as hy die rede was dat ons beter gelyk het nie
Hulle het eenkeer vir Frans gevra hoekom hy hom bly speel al staan hy soveel strafskoppe af by skrums. Frans het gesê hy werk hard in die vaste los en vandat Bakkies weg is kort hulle iemand wat die werk kan doen.
Dit werk vir die Bulle want Dean het die meeste turnovers in die Curriebeker gehad
Angostura wrote:
Geez what a childish snide remark… Loyalty, sentiment, tradition whatever… The point i was making is that people generally decide the direction best suited for themselves in the professional world.
@ grootblousmile:
With Eksdom floundering, you’re lighting the candle from both ends, eh? 🙂
And then most mornings there’s early morning cricket, ook … eish!
Tis like being back on officer’s course 😆
Vasbyt … of saamwerkkoppie vir jou …
Without have to pledge loyalty to some or other “family tradition”
@ grootblousmile:
Jacque dup het seker sy beste game vir die bulle gespeel, dean word gedurig geunderrate oor sy werk in die scrum. Hy is andersins damn goed in die los en het n helse goeie currie cup gehad.
Ek hoop net ons kan so aanhou en beter skoonmaak vir wieokal scrumskakel speel. Tiaan schoeman het ook n goeie cameo gehad. En ons druk al van laasjaar af dat hy iewers in die squad al moes gewees het.
Hopelik is ons nou heeltemal van visser ontslae dis n groot stap vorentoe
18 @ Angostura:
Flok, working for yourself is worse than any “Vasbyt”… and I’ve been doing it for 25 years now already!
I’m not much of a morning person… that’s just how my body clock is set… but I work late every evening, then battle to switch off as my brain is still racing at top speed… so then I hop a few DSTV channels, before my eyes just die on me and I fall into a deep coma till morning.
Without my morning coffee or strong rooibos tea, I am also a bit useless… hehehe
20 @ MacroBull:
Jinne, ek hoop Jurgen Visser teken vir Montpellier sodat Jake The Snake eerder met hom opgeskeep kan sit!
@ grootblousmile:
Probleem is dit voel of die ouens buite hul vel gespeel het en ons het nogsteeds die ref se hulp nodig gehad. Waar raak hy deurmekaar met stegmann en hougie?.. En ons het net net gewen. Laasweek kon en moes ons wel die canes gewen het. Ek is effens klein bietjie meer positief na die haai game. Maar dit kan nog n moeilike jaar wees vir ons
23 @ MacroBull:
Ja, dis nie nou eweskielik die paradys en fluffy toys na ons teen die Sharks gewen het nie.
Die ouens het ook nie buite hulle velle gespeel nie, ek sou eerder sê hulle het meer tot hul potensiaal gespeel, en baie beter opsies uitgeoefen… en getref elke slag wat hulle geleentheid gehad het.
Maar soos jy tereg opmerk, dit moet nou volgehou word, anders is ons beslis in vir ‘n lang en droewige seisoen.
Ek voel wel nie skuldig oor die ref nie. Saru skuld ons nog na daai rastapro newlands game.
Pro nie rasta nie 🙂
25 @ MacroBull:
Sometimes you get the rub of the green and sometimes it goes against you… I also have no problems with that
17 @ MacroBull:
Relax
Some (seemingly like you?) do not regard loyalty as a virtue
e.g.
“The first thing I want to teach is disloyalty till they get used to disusing that word loyalty as representing a virtue. This will beget independence–which is loyalty to one’s best self and principles, and this is often disloyalty to the general idols and fetishes.”
– Mark Twain’s Notebook
Others who speak of loyalty & disloyalty regard disloyalty as a vice.
So we’re saddled with a fundamental difference in belief- and value systems. That’s life.
It is just that I’ve never seen this profound issue equated to whether children have turned their backs on their parents’ trade/business/profession, etc., or not.
It is quite novel …
@ Angostura:
Still some snide jabs,
In this sense of this subject (rugby) no one should expect a player to be loyal to a union for his whole career… Such as children were to pledge loyalty to their family business… Which has declined in the modern age..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309138/Sorry-Mum-Dad-Children-longer-want-follow-career-path-parents.html
It has nothing to do with loyalty to your career or to have high moral standards… It is simply regards to the subject.
But clearly you read into it whatever you want to.
It has nothing to do with loyalty to your employer at your current work situation or to have high moral standards… It is simply regards to the subject.
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