Force (6) 13 / 42 (15)Â Hurricanes (Final Score)
The Western Force and Hurricanes did battle in Super Rugby at
nib Stadium, Perth at 13:00 SA Time (19:00 AWST, 11:00 GMT, Saturday 00:00 NZ Time).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Force:
- Penalties – Zack Holmes (1), Luke Burton (1)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Mitchell Scott (1)
- Conversions – Luke Burton (1)
Hurricanes:
- Penalties – Beauden Barrett (3)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Cory Jane (1), Mark Abbott (1), Victor Vito (1), Julian Savea (1), Callum Gibbins (1)
- Conversions – Beauden Barrett (2), James Marshall (2)
Teams:
Western Force |
Hurricanes |
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Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
Assistant Referees: Angus Gardner (Australia), Graham Cooper (Australia)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)
TMO says it’s not clear Savea was in front, but the Ref and Touchie says he was in front.
So, no try!
7 Minutes to go in the game.
Canes are putting a real marker out there… maybe the Lions and Bulls were not so shit against them as we believed….
Consolation try to the Force
Hurricanes 35 / 13 Force
Try Canes, Gibbins
Final Score: Hurricanes 42 / 13 Western Force
Biggest Home loss for the Force, ever…
@ nortie:
Canes have had 3 easy games (though on the road)
but they went from underdogs to title contenders last week already.
Remember how the stommir okes cried about their draw last year?
68 @ MacroBull:
No easy games, up until 2 weeks ago no one would have said playing the Bulls at Loftus was easy.
The Canes missed out on the playoffs last year by 1 log point.
As I stated then, thinking you can play against them like you did against weak CC sides is a mistake, they are a quality side full of All Blacks.
Well done Cane, my mate!
Smacked ’em silly!
@ nortie:
Mostly they have plum
@ MacroBull:
Bottom line, I stand by my opinion that they are quality opposition….of course others much more clever than me will disagree and rate them as inferior.
I’m just glad I have picked them 3 times in the last 3 weeks and didn’t go for the “better” teams playing against them
@ nortie:
just you wait till the Sharks puts them in their place.
@ nortie:
lol nortie don’t take everything so personally, when someone doesn’t agree to your opinion then that is just their opinion… see it that way, don’t see it as an attack on yours. That’s the problem too many people have these days.
74 @ MacroBull:
No worries about that. I rarely even bother to give an opinion here anymore, so no danger of that.
The stats comparing the Canes with 3/3 and the Lions with 0/2 however speak for themselves 😆
@ nortie:
That’s just silly though, not giving your opinion because someone or I might disagree with you?
Nee man
@ MacroBull:
No, not blogging often enough too bother about that.
Pop in every now and again and chat here and there.
Jy weet mos, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one 😆
nortie wrote:
88
I don’t set high standards, just realistic expectations based on historical data.
I base my assessment of the “quality” of the various franchises not on one or two or three matches at the beginning of a season but rather on long term performance, i.e. on duly weighted performance/achievement throughout the whole of S14 & S15 (S12 & S10 being too distant to be relevant today), with a bias towards systematically over-weighting more recent performance. That is what informs my opinion of the track record & pedigree of the various franchises. On this basis quality franchises are those that rank in the top third of the rankings, mediocre franchises rank in the middle third, & inferior franchises in the final third.
On this basis the Hurricanes’ track record & pedigree is (with respect) one of mediocrity, not (superior) quality.
I said my expectation is that they will end the season mid table (in a table of 15, mid table suggests to me ending in the range #6 – #10); I still stand by that opinion.
IMO tis a bit premature to declare “quality” based on a mere 3 performances. Rather tell us where you expect the Hurricanes to finish on the combined log at the conclusion of the log section of the S15 tournament & whether they will make the semi finals? I say the will be placed in the range #6 – #10 and that they won’t make the semi-finals.
The conclusion of this year’s tournament will establish who can rightfully claim gloating rights, not the 1st 3 rounds. But by all means luxuriate for now in the results of 1st 3 rounds if that floats your boat … 🙂
88
Having said that, congratulations to Cane & all other Hurricane’s supporters – Your team has certainly started the season with a bang, winning 3 away games on the trot. That is something special.
@ Angostura:
So no matter how a team plays in the first 3 weeks, you can only assess their quality after 16 weeks?
The Rebels win over the Crusaders was not quality?
@ Angostura:
Let’s take a look back at the original comment I made based on the match in question, and not on the history of Super Rugby.
nortie on 13 February 2015 at 20:57 SAST
I’m somewhat puzzled about the expectations of this game.
The Lions have only won 3 times against the Canes, and have lost 12.
The Canes played all the All Blacks, except Nonu.
The fact that the Lions did well in the CC means nothing against quality opposition, as we shall see tomorrow at Loftus as well.
Then, your reply.
nortie wrote:
The fact that the Lions did well in the CC means nothing against quality opposition
The Canes is not a quality team – the forwards are collectively too weak – the Lions could & should’ve beaten them quite comfortably based on the match stats
Tactics were just up to shit & some key players didn’t pitch …
We’re you referring to the Canes on the day having collectively weak forwards, or the Canes from the last 15 years?
And if we were to delve into the past and judge teams merely on history, where would the Lions/Cats compare over the last decade plus against the Canes?
@ Angostura:
I think your also trying to imply that based on history the Bulls are the only local team that can win Super Rugby 😆
MacroBull wrote:
Then you have nothing to worry about….Bulls have historically been better than the Sharks in SR, so you will get your first win tomorrow
MacroBull wrote:
88
Nope
You can right now assess the quality of a franchise based on historical data
& the most recent 3 weeks are important (for this season), yet those results are just a blip in 9 years & 3 weeks of data
It takes more than 3 weeks (or even 1 season) to turn a mediocre franchise into a quality one …
Taken on its own 3/3 wins for Canes do not of itself make a quality team, just as 2/2 wins for the Cheetahs do not make them a quality team. What it does indicate is improvement, which may or may not be the beginning of a trend change …
The Rebels win over the Crusaders is merely a sign of improvement; by the same token the loss of the Crusaders is not a sign of a poor quality, but just a slow start to the season which they are more prone to display than any other top franchises.
Franchises that are now showing improvement will have to sustain it to substantially improve their ranking …
re 80 @ nortie:
88
Yes this post (80) succinctly shows our difference of opinion.
Whereas you seemingly assess the quality of a team on a single outcome (because it couldn’t have been on historical data which do not support your contention), I expressed the chances of winning a single match on the ex post match stats of THAT single match, not on perceived relative quality of the opposing teams, which is a value judgment that requires reliance on historical data & a forward projection of the short to medium term durability of the current relative track records.
I never said the Lions was team of higher quality than the Lions – only that they could & should’ve won.
Not that it is relevant to my argument, or your argument, but since you asked, The Lions obviously ranks among the inferior franchises, whereas The Hurricanes obviously ranks among the mediocre franchises.
re 81 @ MacroBull:
88
I did not imply that.
I said that the Bulls is South Africa’s leading Super Rugby franchise – it is a fact that cannot be disputed.
I have not stated the following before (and it is not rocket science, but rather trite):
The only saffa franchises that can win S15 are the Bulls, the Sharks & the Stormers (however remote those chances may be). I think few will disagree. Other saffa franchises will have to show years of improvement to be able to be considered for Alpha Dog …
nortie wrote:
88
There was nothing between victory & defeat in the match between the MIGHTY Canes & the Bulls.
On paper & man for man, there is little to choose between the Bulls & the Sharks, & at Loftus after 2 gut wrenching defeats it should be close contest.
Even though I’ll be rooting for the Sharks, I shall not be surprised by a Bulls victory.
One mocks & ridicules the Bulls at one’s own peril …
Macrobul (& all the other pessimists) might very well have nothing to worry about …
88
G’nite all
Are you joining me for cricket at 3:00 am? (NZ vs. AUS – should be a cracker!)
84 @ Angostura:
“I never said the Lions was team of higher quality than the Lions – only that they could & should’ve won.”
Therein lies the rub, yes, they “could” have won….but I disagree that they “should” have won.
That was the very basis of my first post, just because they had an ok CC in which they still came up short when it counted, the optimism of the supporters didn’t make sense.
Their track record against the Hurricanes was poor, and I’m also referring to the history of the competition here.
They were not playing second rate CC sides, but a side laden with All Blacks. Why should it have come as a surprise that they lost? It would have been a surprise if they had won.
Comparing the Hurricanes to the opposition they encountered during the CC, surely the Canes rate far superior to any of those teams? Hence the reference to the Canes being quality opposition.
I don’t discount history when trying to determine a winner in a match, but history is forever being rewritten. If we must assume that the historically most successful team will win, then they can hand the SR trophy to the Crusaders at the beginning of the season, and scrap the WC, give the trophy to the All Blacks.
And of course, most importantly, give WP the CC every year 😆 I kind of like that idea.
The fact is, every year each team starts with a clean slate and on any given day any team can beat the other, many are flash in the pans and we can pretty much agree beforehand on at least four sides who we know will make the top 6 even before the first kick off.
The Bulls are the SA franchise who have won the trophy the most times, or only team to have won it, but I doubt they are statistically the most successful SA team. They have gone seasons without winning even 1 game, teams like the Sharks and Stormers might have a statistically better win/loss ratio.
@ nortie:
I agree with giving the WC to the Abs…a foregone conclusion 🙄
Seriously the Canes have had all these classy backs over the years but the sum of all those parts have added up to an average team…..results wise. But they should be able to put the lions team away 8 times outta 10…cos the Lions are below average, bordering on hopeless statistically….
Amazing bowling performance by NZ
Aus 151 all out in 32.2 overs
Who would’ve thought!
NZ’s pace bowling unit pitching the ball up & swinging it at 140+ kph (& none of that short paced shit that most of the other teams’ pacemen bowl)
Their bowling’s red hot, mon
Southee & Boult are the two leading wicket takers in the CWC thus far
Go the Black Caps!
And Johnson starts with a SHORT PITCHED no ball, glided for 4 off legs
Free hit for 6
11 runs of 1 ball
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