Allister Coetzee
Stormers and Western Province coach Allister Coetzee is in high demand to coach in the Japanese league, according to reports.
Coetzee, who still has one year left on his contract with WP, is believed to be a strong candidate to replace Gary Gold as coach of the Kobe Kobelco Steelers in Japan. Gold is set to leave the Steelers to take up the role of Sharks Director of Rugby.
Meanwhile, WP’s Vodacom Cup and Under 21 coach, John Dobson, is also believed to be on the wish list of the EP Kings, while there is also interest in Dobson’s backline coach, Dawie Snyman.
Gert Smal, WP’s Director of Rugby, said they would like to keep all current coaches at the union for the next three years and are busy with negotiations.
Sport24
“We’re looking at a structure in which we can stimulate the coaches to enhance their development. I’d like to have the negotiations sorted by the end of the month,” said Smal.
“We can’t control the fact that there is outside interest in them. (But) we’d like to create an environment where they feel they can develop. They must also want to be at WP. If it’s merely about money, then it’s another story.”
Coetzee, who coached WP to two Currie Cup titles in the last three years, will coach the Stormers in this year’s Super Rugby competition.
They start their campaign away to the Bulls in Pretoria on 14 February.
Now one can look at this in 2 ways… depending of course how the Stormers go in 2015.
Either it is time for Toetie to go, to get fresh blood to take over OR if the Stormers suddenly do well, then the team of Gert Smal and Toetie is starting to work and he should be kept at all costs.
He can go, we’ll send them Ludeke
It’s more important for WP Rugby to hang onto Dobson
AC still has hopes to be the next bok coach so i dont think he would make a move unless forced by PW.
MacroBull wrote:
He sure is a sucker for punishment
In Sushiland he could get paid a lot and have less stress
MacroBull wrote:
Don’t use AC and “forced by PW” in one sentence
It might bring back bad memories đź‘ż
MacroBull wrote:
I somehow doubt it, he will have no support from the other province’s supporters, even his own supporters are polarized in their opinion of him.
SARU aren’t the brightest crayons in the box, but even they should realize that he won’t be a popular choice
nortie wrote:
They appointed Snor remember?
@ nortie:
AC is currently the only non white coach, with the quota proposals of a 50% “transformed” coaching team in the near future, he has as big a chance as anyone.
The only possible future springbok coach that wont divide the country with provincialism is one that has been coaching overseas and successfully, me thinks.
Maybe the best thing that could ever happen to springbok rugby would be to appoint a foreign coach
9 @ MacroBull:
I don’t think AC will be a “quota” coach, but I understand what you are saying.
He has the credentials, has been coaching top flight teams for a while, has a WC medal as assistant, but isn’t a popular coach with his own supporters due to his playing style.
If he can’t galvanize the support of his own supporters, I can’t see him winning the support of the rest of the country.
A coach like Ackerman seems universally
Lied, as well as Venter and Stonehouse.
Those guys would be welcomed by all supporters, whether justified or not, it’s just the way it is.
@ nortie:
Universally liked, not lied
@ nortie:
but I am sure he still “hopes”, the initial point I was trying to make, whether we think he will or not.
11 @ nortie:
good point, Venter will be a popular choice.
MacroBull wrote:
Maybe Macro, but when he turned down the chance to act as assistant to HM I sort of got the feeling that he felt he was finished with Bok rugby?
I guess we will know very soon, HM’s tenure is almost up, unless they sign him for the next 4 years as well
@ nortie:
AC will likely be offered the assistant role.
nortie wrote:
If you’re referring to SARU it’s spot on
Victoriabok wrote:
Ha ha, was referring to Akkers, but you are spot on with SARU
MacroBull wrote:
Brendan doesn’t suffer fools kindly and he won’t bite his tongue either, and with SARU being the former and not liking to be reminded of it, it would never work
@ Victoriabok:
why would you go ahead and spoil a proper debate with a possible positive outcome with logic?
MacroBull wrote:
Like Bafana with the Frenchman and the Brazilians?
Or should I say “Bra millions”?
Victoriabok wrote:
Very true, but he is astute enough to have a clause inserted in his contract that dictates that he doesn’t have to talk to the media if he doesn’t feel like it……I would have thought that any union that contracts Jake should automatically insert a similar clause with or without his blessing.
MacroBull wrote:
Politicians and rugby administrators never make the obvious decision (right?)
It makes them look ordinary and human which in turn means we don’t need them
Toetie would fit in nicely in the land of the rising sun.
Above average height for the general Japanese population, and a below average coach, just like the level of play in the league.
What more reason does one need to make a fortune in a foreign currency?
@ Scrumdown:
Is he really a below average coach?
In terms of silverware won and win/loss ratio in Superrugby he is probably the most successful local coach over the last 5 years.
He might not be a Danie Craven or Graham Henry but he is not as bad as many people like to believe.
25 @ robzim:
The “Law of Averages” catches so many out.
Just under half of all coaches are below average.
In reality he probably isn’t below average, but then who wants someone who’s just above average?
He isn’t a “finisher”, and if truth be told in SA at the moment we don’t have ANY coaches (including the National coach) who is.
Mediocrity has become the norm, and frankly it p1sses me off.
I’ve watched a lot of Aviva Rugby over the last few weeks, and must really ask if our percieved superior level of SH Rugby is just that, perceived only.
25 @ robzim:
26 @ Scrumdown:
I think the question which must be answered when considering Toetie’s quality as coach, is whether the Stormers will win Super Rugby under him, at any stage.
With Gert Smal there to guide the hand.. maybe there is progression towards that end.. I guess we’ll see in 2015.
We all know for a fact that SA players going to Japan are better off, both financially as well as less strenuous games means less wear and tear on the bodies, but, do we know for certain that a top franchise coach will be better remunerated?
Gary Gold is coming back to SA from Japan to coach one of the top 5 teams, so, either he will be paid more at the Sharks or it is seen as a more prestigious post. I’m not sure which one it is, maybe a combination of both, but it does say a lot.
One can understand that a move to Japan is a major step up from coaching a team like the Pumas, hence Stonehouse’s move makes sense, but even Ackerman seemed happy staying at the Lions instead of moving to Japan.
I suppose a player, who is still young compared to most coaches, see such a move as exciting and a new experience for him and his relatively young family, but would a 50 odd year old who has much deeper roots and a well paying job want to pitch up and make such a move if the rewards are not that much bigger?
26 @ Scrumdown:
Well considering the average rugby in South Africa the last few years, Toeties record should certainly put above the average in my opinion.
28 @ nortie:
Seems like a guy of the fibre (or lack thereof) of Jake White will move at the drop of a hat.
If there is bigger money for players, I have no doubt that the same applies for coaches in Japan.
By denying that or questioning it, it’s like saying that you’ll let a lowly paid appie work on your high end Beemer. There is so much money floating around in Japan with the Privately and Big Corporate owned rugby Clubs, it is not even funny.
My suggestion for South Africa’s longer term survival in world rugby as one of the top nations is:
1. That Franchises & Provinces MUST be privatized to be owned by bigger and responsible business (in stead of the amatuer hybrid scenario we now have);
2. A system of substantial TRANSFER FEES for players leaving Provinces / Franchises must be instituted;
3. SARU MUST devise a CENTRAL CONTRATING SYSTEM;
4. More avenues of Revenue for Top Players must be found, eg. Sposorship and Merchandise deals (in addition to their Provincial / Franchise / National Contracts);
5. World Rugby must be persuaded to regulate intercontinental Player & Coach hopping in a much more proficient way. Cap Limits on foreign players in a Club / Franchise come to mind;
6. New deals and Tournaments MUST BE CREATED where Southern Hemisphere and Northern Hemisphere Countries and Franchises all take part in cross-global competitions where the slice of the Broadcasting money is distributed accross the globe… providing much more revenue to keep players resident in the South, whilst forcing the North to develop more local players (who’s positions are now easily grabbed and occupied by Southern players). This counts for South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and the Island Nations;
7. Only SA Based players must be eligible to play for the Springboks or Junior Springboks or Blitzbokke.
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