England (6) 28 / 31 (13) Springboks (Final Score)
England and the South African Springboks did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Twickenham, London, England at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
England:
- Penalties – Owen Farrell (2), George Ford (1)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – David Wilson (1), Ben Morgan (1), Brad Barritt (1)
- Conversions – Owen Farrell (2)
Springboks:
- Penalties – Pat Lambie (3)
- Drop Goals – Pat Lambie (1)
- Tries – Jan Serfontein (1), Cobus Reinach (1), Schalk Burger (1)
- Conversions – Pat Lambie (2)
Teams:
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South African Springboks |
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Expected weather: Rain on Thursday, Friday and Sunday, but not, it seems, on Saturday when it will be partly cloudy with a high of 13°C and a low of 8°C.
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)
Assistant Referees: Jérôme Garcès (France),Nick Briant (New Zealand)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (France)
@ MacroBok:
Why assume I’m agreeing with them?
I made my feelings known right after the EP test, this piece I pasted earlier was published today.
If we had lost yesterday, I’m sure some of the blame would have been laid before the ref for as well.
Just always remember that if you cheered when the TV and crowd swayed Wayne Barnes into giving us a winning penalty, then don’t cry when it will happen against us next year in the WC when our home crowd and SuperSport team isn’t there to assist
@ nortie:
Are you disagreeing with them?
I cheer for technology being used to get the right result… but the CROWD is big player, and if they can influence the ref wrongly he is weak and he should take any blame coming his way..
The only way to ever solve this is by banning home games, how popular would that be?
Our biggest problem is that we don’t have 50 000 people there to “assist”
482 @ MacroBok:
No….I prefer to think that they are agreeing with me 😆
@ MacroBok:
So you still don’t acknowledge that a producer, who decides which clip to play on the big screen, doesn’t play a role in getting a crowd worked up?
The same way he can magically also fail to find that one clip that can show if a try has or hasn’t been scored if it would go against his team?
@ nortie:
They play clips between every break in play, usually from the pre occurring play (and in slow motion)… always.
“The same way he can magically also fail to find that one clip that can show if a try has or hasn’t been scored if it would go against his team?”
That happened in any of these instances?
@ MacroBok:
Remember when Australia lost to Argentina in the RC?
@ nortie:
I did not see that game, but I am aware there was in instance where Aus “believe” they scored a try but there was no evidence?
That is one case out of many?
(Do you remember when it happened? So i can try find a clip?)
How many tries are given by the TMO and referee wrongly without the influence of the TV Producer?
I can think of a few.
Lions vs Highlanders
The Pro Legoate Show
oh and basically every game where Veldsman is involved in is bound to be controversial 😆
Oh and that “Own try” in Australia a few months ago, or maybe the TV producer messed with the colour spectrum on the TMO’s screen?
@ MacroBok:
Ha ha, poor Pro.
But to me it’s two separate issues…..when a ref by himself asks for the TMO when he sees something, that’s part of the game, and the technological assistance is welcome.
However, when a ref doesn’t have an issue during general play, and then, during a stoppage a producer plays an incident that gets the crowd going, which then causes the ref to make a decision that minutes earlier he had no inclination of making, well I’m not so sure I agree that is the way the game should go. My reasoning is simple, there are many cameras rolling at the same time, but only one’s images can be displayed at any given time. The producer/director is the one person who decides which angle or camera’s image must be shown at any given time, so in other words, 1 person can influence the outcome with the touch of a button or a simple order “cue camera7” , for example.
They can be selective in what to show during the break, and they can pick the very worst angle of a specific incident, and that way they can in fact sway a ref into making a decision he didn’t think was necessary
And then you havent even scratched the surface of the influence of the home crowd that overwhelms all else.
Hou op baklei Nortie 😆
@ nortie:
look if a TV producer can keep his eyes glued to numerous cameras for 80 minutes, just to spot something wrong from the opposing team I have to give it to them 🙂
Breaks are also immideately followed by replays… that happens all the time. Look it is something different if the replay immediately shows something that happened 20 meters away from any action, but if the replays shows a ball carrier or a tackle how could the “TV producer” NOT show this in a action replay?
Foul play should be highlighted, even if the ref may have missed it behind his back
@ MacroBok:
Die skare beinvloed nie die regiseur nie, die regiseur beinvloed die skare.
Behalwe as dit n ooglopende en blatante stuk vuilspel is wat almal sien, insluitende die ref, kan net n handjie vol toeskouers n insident sien as dit reg voor hulle gebeur.
Dis wanneer dit oor en oor op die skerm gewys word, dat almal ewe skielik hul stem kry
Last week Hansen complained, this week Hartley got given a yellow card. It completely blows the conspiracy theories out of the water that the TV producer’s only job is to try and influence the result.
@ MacroBok:
I can’t recall reading that anyone said the producers only job is to influence a match.
I have said, and have seen others say, that he can in fact influence decisions that would not have been made with some timely screening of certain incidents.
There is a difference
@ nortie:
Ek stem nie saam met jou dat as die ou iets sien dit telkemale moet speel voordat iemand dit moet sien nie, dit is bloot net onwaar, Verlede week het die ou n replay gewys van NZ se drie, toe het dit het kort gelyk, mag die man nou nie replays wys van driee nie?… die ref het gesien, whoa dalk het hy n fout begaan…seker gemaak… en die game het aangegaan.
Dit is wat ek wil sien.
@ nortie:
Timely screening of all incidence… yes he/she tries to show as many incidents as possible… surely?
Die regiseur doen sy werk eerste, en ek kan imagine, dit is n moer moeilike werk in die eerste plek, om die beste camera angle van als te kry, party ouens is net beter as ander ouens soos die lewe, en in my opinie is die engelse die beste.
@ MacroBok:
Ons hoef gelukkig nie saam te stem nie 😆
Weereens, die verskil daar was dat die ref vir n replay gevra het.
Ek praat nie van inside te waar die ref vra dat iets weer gewys moet word nie, ek praat net van insidente waar die ref bv n skrum roep, dan sit n speler met n besering. Terwyl die medics of water opkom, dan word daar iets gewys wat die skare nie baie van hou wat hulle sien nie, en dan agv van dit, voel die ref hy moet nou die een span straf
@ nortie:
as dit vuil spel is moet hy hulle straf, finish en klaar, as jy n ou se voet skop, op sy knieg trap, hom headbutt of op sy knieg trap, moet die ref dit jou straf, ek kan nie imagine jy sal opspring en skree, “die los daai ou wat die ander ou se oog krap, dit is die tv ref se skuld!”.
as dit n 50/50 call was soos wat met Habana gebeur het (Wat die rediseer n paar keer gewys het)… dan is dit nou maar te laat.
Die moral of the story is… moenie vuil speel nie.
As Bakkies n ou heatbutt, of Schalk druk sy vinger in n ou se oog, is dit daai ou se skuld en niemand anders nie.
daai ou=Bakkies of Schalk
501 @ MacroBok:
Ja, ek stem saam dat as dit vuil is, is dit verkeerd, maar wat ek se is dat, as ons in SA speel en n Bok pleeg vuilspel in die laaste minuut, en dis binne afstand wat die opposisie kan wen as hulle n strafskop kry, dan beteken dit nie dat die insident tydens die breek gewys sal word nie.
Maar as dit n opposisie speler is, dan sal dit herhaal word.
Dieselfde sal gebeur in NZ of Eng of waar ookal.
En dis waarmee ek nie saamstem nie en dis wat ek bedoel by n regiseur kan wel n uitslag bepaal met wat hy besluit om te wys
504 @ MacroBok:
505 @ nortie:
Ek kyk gou om te sien hoeveel verder julle nou al gekom het met die sinnelose argument…
O, OK, nes ek vermoed het, FOKKOL VERDER nie…
Geniet dit… julle redeneer soos passers, al om julle eie gat.
@ grootblousmile:
😆
Maar dis lekker….n goeie manier om n stadige Sondag middag om te kry
@ nortie:
Ek dink steeds daar is meer goed wat n game kan affekteer. Ek dink ook n rediseur is nie so maklike werk dat die ou net beeldmaterial sal kan laat verdwyn nie, ons is ook onbewus op die IRB se kontrole op die uitsender, dit bly hulle produk, ek twyfel sterk hulle laat toe dat n hele span van soos 20 mense of meer “in on it” kan wees nie.
ek se 20, maar ek weet nie hoeveel mense is betrokke op n live game nie… al die kameras all die audio ouens ens. Ek glo verseker dit is nie n handvol nie. of net die TV producer nie.
By die Wereld beker sal dit onmoontlik wees om so iets weg te steek, dalk in Argentinia waar daar seker net die redigeur en sy familie is
@ grootblousmile:
My TV is af :D, niks anders om te doen nie 😆
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