Wallabies (11) 24 / 23 (14)Â Springboks (Final Score)
The Australian Wallabies and South African Springboks did battle in The Rugby Championship at
Patersons Stadium, Perth, Australia at 12:05 SA Time (18:05 AWST, 10:05 GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Wallabies:
- Penalties – Bernard Foley (4)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Israel Folau (1), Rob Horne (1)
- Conversions – Bernard Foley (1)
Springboks:
- Penalties РMorn̩ Steyn (6)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Cornal Hendricks (1)
- Conversions – 0
Teams:
Australian Wallabies |
South African Springboks |
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Expected weather: Overcast with showers in the afternoon, a high of 20°C and a low of 13°C
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)
Assistant Referees: Glen Jackson (New Zealand), Mike Fraser (New Zealand)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)
@ Hondo:
They do it when they play against them in Super Rugby.
Why would it be more difficult/impossible just because it is a test?
@ nortierd:
😆 😆 😆
Bravo
So what are the options then?
stay with HM?
Bring back PdV? not a bad option btw,
Promoting Ricardo Loubcher? 😉
Get Smal and Acker for a joint leadership?
I believe Mallett doesn’t want to have anything to do with the quota lords at SARU
@ Hondo:
HM will stay, we will still beat most comers, except for the All Blacks.
We will beat Aus at Newlands because after losing next week we will be playing for pride.
Then the AB’s will win at Ellis Park again.
I don’t think we will beat England at Twickenham this year though, but the rest we will beat.
Probably end the year in 3rd on the rankings (but, as we have read here, the rankings don’t mean anything)
@ Nama:
Willie, Reinach, Pienaar will not tackle for their own life
JdV doesn’t connect and often caught too forward to be effective
JdJ will have no effect, saw him against the ABs in 2010 at Soccer City
The wings can pull Savea’s jersey, and that’s about it
You need committed tacklers such as Styen, J. Fourie, (or how Mulder, Muller or Barry used to be) so only De Allende is available?
@ Hondo:
Maybe AC should be seconded to him to teach him how to change the game plan.
@ nortierd:
totally agree
Also the RWC means nothing to me, it’s not rugby union, it’s a soccer type competition
Rugby Union is all about series
But it means a lot to the 3rd world honchos at SARU, and they may make the call?
@ Nama:
No AC
It’s either PdV or Smal/Acker as the Boks’ care takers, and you know I rate RWC less than the CC which I don’t watch now for years
Best combo is: PdV HEAD COACH, Smal as the forwards and Pieter Rossouw as the backs
@ nortierd:
Nortried
Please keep this thread alive for now?
There is a lot to air 😆
Too bad we lost it in the end witj an extremely poor error by morne. overall Aus had nothing on us today. Janneman except for that bad kick had a good game at 13 while willie was anit ineffective.
Some say we had possession of 70% while we also kept kicking it away? makes no sense.
Within three minutes of winning it and a key moment was when jdv went for touch amd not forngoal to build the 9 point buffer. Jdv will never ever ever learn will he?
@ Hondo: you know Hondo, unless your tongue is firmly imbedded in your cheek, you might have something there. An all-WP combo. I like it. At least we’re gonna chuck the ball around which we can most certainly do if we have a mind to. Recall Errol Tobias? He was a 10 who was not shy to take on the opposition. A WP/Boland/Caledon man through and through.
@ MacroBok: Ja, mistakes were made. But JdV backed his forwards and so he should. They totally dominated Oz. One would expect a decent Springbok team to be able to finish off. They didn’t and its now relegated to the history books.
I had no problem with Jean’s decisions today. I did have a (huge) problem with the game plan and how the two halfbacks executed it(and our regaled fullback). They were collectively pathetic and lost us the game. If I was a Bok forward I would have bliksemed someone for wasting my energy.
@ Tassies:
Also the six points aus got from two ridiculous penalties.
We will definitely be competitive next weekend as well
@ nortierd: Yes I agree Nortie. But we should NEVER have lost today. NEVER. That was a total undiluted balls-up of epic proportions. The was no way the Boks were an inferior team today. NO &%$#@* way. They simply blew it. Crap game plan and super crap execution.
@ Tassies:
Why should the forwards get off scott free? You say you had no problem with Jeans decision to go for touch. .. yet it is the forwards that messed up
@ MacroBok: Ja, I agree. But we wont beat the ABies if we play to the coach’s game plan. NEVER. Meyer’s game evolves around the kicking game. Period. No deviation. Its so &%#$*@# predictable its almost pathetic. And if the two executors cannot execute(which they generally don’t) then we are buggered. Meyer needs to pull his finger out his arse and at least show that he can coach a plan B into the guys. He had Oz on the rack today and simply blew it. His post match interview had me practically throwing up.
@ Tassies:
Well aus also heavily relied on kocks today amd didnt do that well either.
We lost today down to three things. .. an extremely poor kick by morne that didnt go out (in no way possibly the game plan surely?), jean not going for goal and two strange penalties by the ref gifting aus points.
@ MacroBok: Not going to argue with you MB. That all be true. But the game plan’s simple and rigid. One can see it. Today, the two executioners in chief blew it because they weren’t accurate enough. Morne’s kick ‘to touch’ was just one example of the poor kicking execution. That particular example put the nail in the coffin if you like. But there were plenty of others which, while they didn’t seal the game, all contributed to the loss. It was a lousy game plan poorly executed. The ref merely helped to seal the Oz win which should never have been in the first place. No?
and Jean not going for goal……….
I wouldn’t have either. The theory being; we had the wood on them in the forwards and merely needed to execute properly. Much like the ABies would have surely. But we simply aren’t good enough(in certain positions). That’s perfectly obvious isn’t it?
@ Tassies:
I agree our execution was poor at times.
Problem with blaming the gameplan is, if we cant execute a “simple” game plan, how the hell are we going to execute a complicated one?
I’m going to repeat, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, this Oz side is not great. Not by any stretch. They are the weakest Wallabies side I’ve seen for some time but we cant beat them even when we totally dominate them. There is something wrong in the cupboard and folk are living in denial. We just pipped Wales. Just. We didn’t really deserve to but we won. We were lucky to beat Arg at home and put it down to the weather. We got out of jail at Salta and put it down to, whatever(the ref?). We lost to Oz. Finally the result that was defined. That’s how I see it anyway. Meyer needs to catch a wake up and start developing a decent rugby game plan that we can enjoy watching. Start the &%$# coaching like we expected of you.
I had high hopes for Heyneke. I seriously did. Playing against the minnows and or world XV’s and winning is one thing but to play and lose to weak more serious Test sides like we saw today is simply unacceptable. That’s management deficiency. Management means; selection, training, combinations, game-plan and execution. The latter two is what I’m referring to in particular. Selection is another story and I can’t really comment on that because I don’t have a particular problem with that besides the persistence with Jannie Dup and Pienaar, who are doing a consistently pathetic job IMHO.
We can see the scrum being owned by the Arg(twice) and Pienaar’s lousy box kicks and other out of hand kicking. BTW Morne and Hennie weren’t much better today in the main.
@ Tassies:
Shhh Tassies, before you know it you will be lumped with us “glass half empty” club members.
Whose decision was it to go for touch and the line out from the penalty.Was it Jdv or did an extension of myself on the field have a say in that…
I saw no need to move away from the plan of territorial dominance and milking the penalties…take the shot especially in the 65th minute or whatever it was…To go for the line out and then try to put in a type of Willy away move was wrong imo. Secure the ball..set up the maul and drive the bloody thing..
The Bok lacked execution of the game plan at times and if implemented correctly would’ve had the winning of this game.
Finally the Ref…I thought his decisions were playing into the Bok hands and creating a stop..start affair not allowing the Aussies any real phase play cohesion.
The members of the “glass half full club” is growing rapidly, it seems. All because of the way we play.
Ashwin laying it into HM this today was especially good because the HM apologists can’t really say that he knows nothing about rugby. Wonder what they will say to discredit him?
“glass half empty” rather.
@ Nama:
Well, if Argentina is so good for running us close and should be higher in the rankings than they are, then shouldn’t Australia be nr 2 in the world for actually beating us?
Te Rangatira wrote:
Good remarks. I also have no problem with territorial dominance. The problem is the one- dimensional approach with regard to our kicking game. Whenever our scrum are under pressure and the ball comes out slowly we box kick. When we do pass the ball we attack channel 1 with a stationary forward or a pod receiving it. There is no variation.
The AB also kicked a lot today but they kept on mixing it up. There was the occasional box kick, there was stab through kicks, there was the odd chip over the top, there was the long low kick into space when the fullback and wings (McCaw on his left foot) are out of position and there was the rolling kick on the wing. They attacked the inside and outside channels. They carried the ball and built phases and tried the line-out maul after a long kick to the goal line corner.
The boks had no variation; they were way to predictable and executed poorly at crucial times. It was piss poor rugby.
I’ve always been dismissive of HMs game plan /strategies… but he isn’t going to change…so I just look at what he can do with what he’s putting out there…but the margins are so fine and the opportunities that are lost should be disheartening for Bok supporters…
@ nortierd:
I won’t be surprised if they are no. 2 after the EOYT.
Nama wrote:
Let’s see, we will lose next week by about 15 points and then play for pride and beat Aus in Cape Town.
NZ will again win at Ellis Park.
We will lose to Eng this year at Twickenam, but probably beat the other NH sides.
Is that glass half empty or realism?
As for the Argie apologists, just this question.
In year 1 they drew at home to the Bokke, in years 2 and 3 they have lost. They lose every year to NZ in NZ by between 15-20 points. NZ will put 40 plus past them on the dry field in good weather in Argentina, as per usual.
How have they then so called progressed since joining. To me it seems like business as usual, and actually worse business than in 2012.
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