Read this and see if you understand it. This was copied by me, nothing changed, no spelling corections made, from the Official SA Rugby Referee website.
The incident we have today must be the most bizarre in the whole of the time the TMO has been implemented to help referees get to the right decision.
It is obvious that you can never say: “I have seen it all”, for rugby will come back to catch you out. To parody what Pliny the Elder almost said: ex Rugby semper aliquid novi. There is always something strange happening in rugby.
The Blues are leading 32-17 at Eden Park in an exciting match, but for some 11 minutes or so they are under a hectic siege by the Crusaders. The Blues had been attacking but a kick-off and two penalties put the Crusaders on the attack and the men from South Island did not want penalties at goal. They were so far behind that they wanted tries. They had five chances to kick at goal but in stead opted for line-outs and scrums, meeting fierce resistance from the Blues’ defence. In fact the 11-minute siege ended when the Crusaders were penalised at a scrum and the siege of the Blues’ goal-line was lifted.
From a tackle / ruck near the Blues’ line, the ball comes back to scrumhalf Willi Heinz who sells a dummy to beat one defender but is pulled down just short of the line by Tony Woodcock. A ruck forms involving more Crusaders than Blues. Matt Todd of the Crusaders gets the ball and passes it to his right.
Tevita Li, the Blues right wing, intercepts and races off downfield. He is about 35 metres from his line when the referee blows the whistle to indicate that Li was offside. Li does not hear it in the excitement and noise of the crowd. He is inside the Crusaders’ 22 when the whistle goes again, and then Li is over the line and happy with his doomed achievement.
The referee does not immediately signal a penalty to the Crusaders on the grounds that Li was offside. Instead he consults his assistant to ask if Li was ‘clearly’ offside. The assistant suggests that he should consult the TMO.
The referee asks the TMO if Li had been offside.
It is an astonishing question. What if the TMO had said he was not offside. The referee had twice blown his whistle and those who heard it would have stopped playing. Would he give the Blues their try?
That would not be sane or fair.
Law 10.4 (s) All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions. They must stop playing at once when the referee blows the whistle except at a kick-off or at a penalty kick following admonishment, temporary suspension, or send-off.
Sanction: Penalty kick
The referee stops play. For the next 65 metres there was no play for Li. There was no play in that time. The TMO sits in his box with his little box and could not turn no-play into play. Nor could the referee do so.
The best he could do was award a scrum to the Blues, five metres from their line, which would have brought displeasure raining down on his head.
Law 20.4 THE TEAM THROWING THE BALL INTO THE SCRUM
(d) Scrum after any other stoppage. After any other stoppage or irregularity not covered by law, the team that was moving forward before the stoppage throws in the ball. If neither team was moving forward, the attacking team throws in the ball.
This would certainly have been an irregularity not covered by the law.
Clearly, a top referee gets this wrong only when he himself is confused and having difficulty processing the information. There had been this long attack, demanding his concentration. He may well have had an assistant and possibly also the TMO yelling about offside. Then his assistant is not sure about the offside and recommends referring the matter to the TMO in the hope of making the best of a mess.
The TMO’s advice was that Li had been offside. That certainly saved the situation.
The commentators speak of hands-on to give Li permission to advance. That is no longer the case.
This year after meetings in Sydney and Dubai, the IRB has clearly stated: At rucks, mauls and scrum, the ball is not out till the scrumhalf clears it. It is not over when the scrumhalf puts hands on the ball.
This has been widely publicised. That means that Li did not have the right to advance over the goal-line, which was his offside line, until Todd had the ball clear of the ruck. (There is now a tendency for scrumhalves to put their hands on the ball and wait in the hope of luring an opponent offside.)
In this case Todd clears the ball immediately.
There are lessons in all this.
Don’t guess but stick to clear and obvious. Don’t even be tempted to guess.
Li should have been allowed to run and ‘score”. Then the TMO should have been consulted.
Communication amongst the team of four (referee, assistant referees and TMO) must be brief, essential and not confusing.
There is another point. This instruction from the IRB is clearly only an interpretation. It is not law, for the law is quite clear.
Law 16.4 (b) Players must not handle the ball in a ruck except after a tackle if they are on their feet and have their hands on the ball before the ruck is formed.
Sanction: Penalty kick
AH, REF: It’s time to reduce the value of the penalty in order to reduce the influence of referees like Steve Walsh.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/9790198/Reason-Two-points-for-a-penalty-lets-try-it
What is your thoughts?
I always ask the question why can they not make the try worth 6 and the conversion 1. My reason is simply why must a good try in the corner after great bacline play have the chance to be worth only 5 points ut a dubious penalty try a almost garuanteed 7 points
We can take it one further as well, it stands to reason that if he was not offside the Crusaders would have scored?
If he had missed the intercept from an offside position and had merely touched the ball resulting in it going forward, the odds are he would have received a yellow for a deliberate knock down and a penalty try should have ensued, so if a player goes offside and intercepts a ball that in all probability would have resulted in a try if he had stayed onside, should the same rule not aply?
@ nortierd:
Things like that can be a 14 point swing. Thats why i like the fact that a team must play to get tries at all cost, even a 21 point lead can vanish in minutes.
Trying to smother the game leads to the Semi final scenario, where the other team was in with a chance till the last minute. As a Bulls supporter i know about losing games in the last minute. It happened far too much.
I wish they could refine the held/not held in the tackle law and when players are allowed to crawl or roll six times, because this happens far too much. This law is also defined in different ways on different parts of the field.
On halfway we regularly see a player roll a few times or crawl.after a tackle or simply just get up withought ever releasing the ball. and on the opposition try line we have to watch cou tless tmo replays looking for a reason to not award a penalty.
@ MacroBull:
Also the held up over the line is debatable
I think they should refine the term tackle to be whenever an opposition player brings an attacking player to ground using legal means, like and ankle tap or what usually happenes, when a players gets a good hit with his shoulder on the attackers ankles and a split second before they go to ground they lose contact and the ref allows the player to get up saying not held. the next ref will say he is held and penalise the player for just getting back up without releasing the ball. WTF. make it simpler and consistant.
If a player was tripped then sure he doesnt have to release the ball. when a player dives onto the ball… yes let him get up with the ball in hand.
Unfortunately the laws are sometimes open to too much interpretation. While one ref will allow some lee way to promote a free flowing games, other will be overly pedantic or technical. For example, the offside law, where the defenders have to be behind the last line of feet is an area of concern to me. Some refs allow the defenders to be in line with the feet while others insist on a clear line behind the feet. And with the acceleration that players have over 5 meters now, the attacking side barely has a chance to get going.
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