19 Responses to Super Rugby: Season 2013 player stats

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  Stormersboy on 26 March 2013 at 9:53 pm

  Nice. I love this sort of thing. Too many missed tackles bt the Cheetahs, but man that Pieter Lab. is putting in some work.

  I think that the leading SA tackler last year was Marcell Coetzee and he made something around 120 odd for the season. Lappies has 95 already. Amazing.
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:01 pm

  Looking at these stats one can see why teams are were they are.

  Take the Bulls
  Lineouts great, so they play to that strength and won against teams who gave them the opportunity to play to it.
  But then look who is our best turnover man , Zane
  We also have far too many candidates in the top 5 for missed tackles

  Nice to play with accumulated stats instead of percentage ones. Some players might have low tallies because they played fewer games.
  Morne would have been further clear if he started the last game too.

  Bulls definately kick way too much,
  2. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 45
  11. Jano Vermaak (Bulls) 26
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  Stormersboy on 26 March 2013 at 10:09 pm

  @ superBul:
  These stats are from the Rugbyheaven website and the Turnover stat is apparently a bot misleading, it’s not turnovers affected but rather turnovers conceded. Hookers are popular in this list for obvious reasons, look at Deon Fourie, he cannot throw a ball in straight and so concedes a lot of turnovers.

  If it were turnovers affected then Quade Cooper would most definitely not be close to the top of the list and players like George Smith would be.

  Check out the Pilfers section for the fetchers hall of fame. The Sharkies are doing well there.
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  Stormersboy on 26 March 2013 at 10:09 pm

  bot = bit
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:13 pm

  @ Stormersboy:
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  yes one must not bet your house on the accuracy of stats, but still a nice article to argue around. You can interpret it the way you feel, and the rest will hunt you down.
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:14 pm

  @ superBul:
  I hope Puma can find a few gems here
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  Stormersboy on 26 March 2013 at 10:26 pm

  @ superBul:
  Steggies has a couple of pilfers, and the Bulls will be there come the business end of the comp, I would put real money on it.
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:29 pm

  Another sites stats

  Defenders beaten
  Reds Digby Ioane 25
  Highlanders Hosea Gear 22
  Highlanders Ben Smith 20
  Highlanders Kade Poki 20
  Blues Charles Piutau 19
  Force Kyle Godwin 17
  Kings Jacques Engelbrecht 15
  Crusaders Tom Marshall 15
  Sharks Lwazi Mvovo 15
  Waratahs Drew Mitchell 14
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  Stormersboy on 26 March 2013 at 10:29 pm

  The site also does match statistics, down to the player level. Very interesting reading, I pour over each week’s stuff on the Monday.
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:31 pm

  Offloads

  Reds Quade Cooper 21
  Highlanders Ben Smith 11
  Chiefs Tim Nanai-Williams 10
  Waratahs Israel Folau 10
  Chiefs Aaron Cruden 9
  Rebels Kurtley Beale 9
  Force Alfi Mafi 9
  Chiefs Sam Cane 9
  Cheetah Phillip Van Der Walt 9
  Sharks Francois Steyn 9
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:33 pm

  @ Stormersboy:
  is it this one
  http://www.sanzarrugby.com/superrugby/competition-stats/player-ranking/
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:39 pm

  If one compares the two stats they differ a bit , that’s OK with me. The same players appear at least in both and almost exactly in the same positions.
  Whooow the Cheetahs are all over, stats wise. Mostly good too.
  4 of them in tackles made,s top 10
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:41 pm

  Going to bed now with numbers in my head, will try counting the sheep before i fall asleep.
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  Stormersboy on 26 March 2013 at 10:44 pm

  @ superBul:
  haha this is the one I use:

  http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/super15/player-stats.html?refresh=1363075656188

  http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/super15/super15-draw.html You can go into each individual match from there.
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:45 pm

  One last obsevation, the Bulls did not come out of the blocks yet. Look at the Teams stats.

  METERS (whatever they mean with it)
  Team Ranking — Super Rugby
  Reds 2578
  Chiefs 2510
  Highlanders 2348
  Crusaders 2204
  Brumbies 2128
  Waratahs 2096
  Blues 2017
  Force 1966
  Sharks 1922
  Stormers 1762
  Cheetahs 1754
  Hurricanes 1706
  Rebels 1660
  Bulls 1521
  Kings 1181
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  superBul on 26 March 2013 at 10:51 pm

  @ Stormersboy:
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  Thanks i will use this 2 also.
  Now i am out, cheers vir eers
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  Bliksem on 27 March 2013 at 4:00 am

  @ Stormersboy:
  The miss tackles stats are useless. If I attempt 2000 tackles and make miss a 100 of them will it be badder than the guy who attempted 200 tackles and miss 60? My miss tackle stat will say I miss the most tackles
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  Stormersboy on 27 March 2013 at 9:01 am

  @ Bliksem:
  Absolutely, it has no context other than the 2013 season, so it has very limited use. The same site does break down the individual player stats per game, and you can drill down to specifics like tackle stats.

  For example, they give 4 tackle numbers: Tackle attempted, tackles made, tackles missed and tackles ineffective (which is pretty close to tackles missed I guess.

  Now lets look at the comparitive stats for Elton vs Pat against the Brumbies:

  Pat attempted 14 tackles, missed 1 and had 3 ineffective.

  Elton attempted 7, missed 2, no ineffective.

  What this says to me is 2 things:

  Firstly that their tackle completion rate is basically the same (%-wise)

  Secondly, that Pat had to tackle twice as much as Elton. Now that is useful because it suggests that The Stormers’ loose forwards did a much better job of protecting Elton than the Sharks’ did.

  Again if you then look at the loose forwards’ tackle stats it bears that out.

  So in that context the relative performance of the two teams against the same opposition can be compared.
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  Bliksem on 28 March 2013 at 4:38 am

  @ Stormersboy:
  Just one correction. Jantjies do not tackle. He plays touch rugby.