Scotland (3) 10 / 21 (14) Springboks (Final Score)
Scotland and the South African Springboks did battle in the End Of Year Tours at Murrayfield, Edinburgh at 16:30 SA Time.
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1, SHD & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Scotland:
- Penalties – Craig Laidlaw (1)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Henry Pygros (1)
- Conversions – Craig Laidlaw (1)
Springboks:
- Penalties – Patrick Lambie (3)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Adriaan Strauss (2)
- Conversions – Patrick Lambie (1)
Teams:
Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Sean Lamont, 13 Nick de Luca, 12 Matt Scott, 11 Tim Visser, 10 Greig Laidlaw, 9 Mike Blair, 8 David Denton, 7 John Barclay, 6 Kelly Brown (Captain), 5 Jim Hamilton, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Euan Murray, 2 Ross Ford, 1 Ryan Grant.
Replacements: 16 Dougie Hall, 17 Kyle Traynor, 18 Geoff Cross, 19 Alastair Kellock, 20 Henry Pygros, 21 Ruaridh Jackson, 22 Peter Murchie, 23 Stuart McInally.
South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (Captain), 11 François Hougaard, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 François Louw, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Gurthrö Steenkamp.
Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Heinke van der Merwe, 18 CJ van der Linde, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Morné Steyn, 22 Jaco Taute, 23 Lwazi Mvovo.
Date: Saturday 17 November 2012
Kick-off: 16:30 SA Time (14:30 GMT)
Venue: Murrayfield, Edinburgh
Expected weather: Partly cloudy with a high of 9°C, dropping to 4°C.
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)
Assistant referees: John Lacey (Ireland), Christophe Berdos (France)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (France)
Good luck Boks. Hope we can play some good rugby today.
Go Bokke Go!
Gooooooooo Bokke!
We will watch the start of the All Blacks game and comment here.
2 @ grootblousmile:
Okay will watch the start and post here then.
Just been reading quite a few Scottish rugby sites. Jeez they don’t fear us in the least. Some are quite convinced they will beat us easy. Damn hope we do a 1951 or 1997 on them…… 🙂
Here is part of a article I copied.
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When South Africa eventually emerged from that dark period in 1994, Scotland was an early port of call. The Springboks were invited to open the new Murrayfield Stadium and rebuilt West Stand and they took the Scots by surprise. The Boks won 34-10, five tries to one, and would go on to host a magnificent Rugby World Cup in 1995, where rugby was used by Nelson Mandela to unite the new Rainbow Nation.
In rugby, the Boks became a dominant force and, despite losing to the Lions in 1997, with world-class pair Percy Montgomery and Joost van der Westhuizen spearheading a new era, they flexed their muscle at Murrayfield 15 years ago with a stunning display of power, pace and skill to run in ten tries to Scotland’s one in a 68-10 win over Rob Wainwright’s men.
A Scottish team with fewer exalted caps took revenge on an inexperienced Bok side in 2002 with a 21-6 win in poor weather, Budge Pountney and Nikki Walker scoring the crucial tries.
South Africa gripped the next two Murrayfield meetings, winning 45-10 in 2004 and 27-3 in the pre-World Cup Test of 2007 and edged a tight affair 14-10 in 2008, but they came unstuck two years ago when Scotland used the memory of 2008 to turn the tables in a 21-17 win.
“If I was coaching now it would be easier to put a team together to beat them than it would the New Zealanders,” said Telfer. “In some ways, Scotland have kept up with the Springboks, certainly physically, whereas New Zealand look for different ways to attack, South Africa just keep running at the opposition and believe that if they do it long enough, and the angles of running are there, it will eventually bring tries, and mostly it does.
“I wouldn’t look back now to 1969 for inspiration, but to that 2002 game, and two years ago, because they haven’t changed much. But don’t underestimate South Africa’s power and their will to win. It’s as great a will to win as New Zealand and they are spurred on by the fear of failure, in a way that few other national sides outside the All Blacks are.”
Telfer was a guest of the Outward Bound Trust before last week’s Test, where he heard about the value of Scottish schoolchildren experiencing challenges outside their normal environment, and he insists that, for Scotland to beat South Africa in a second successive Test, the challenge remains the same as 43 years ago – a commitment among players to step outside their comfort zone.
He added: “We have a pack that could match the Springboks; a better front row in my opinion, very good, physical locks and a good back row, and I think Mike Blair and Greig Laidlaw will get South Africa turning and cause them problems.
“We need to get our back three into the game more, particularly Stuart Hogg, but if I was a betting person, I’d say it was a 50/50 game.
“The key, as always, is to match them physically. That is the common link, I’d say, looking back at all the victories we’ve had against them, and this team is capable of that.”
The writer fisrt started off by talking about the back to back wins he experienced in 64 and 69 against us.
Just have to read about that game in 97. Damn what has happened to our rugby?
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They flexed their muscles 15 years ago with a stunning display of POWER, PACE AND SKILL TO RUN IN 10 TRIES.
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So what has happened to our rugby since then? We scored 10 tries that day. Remember that game so well. Why are we playing this mindless game plan now where we rely on penalties to win a game? Sad actually we have gone backwards. I know other teams have got better, but really so should we have. The Abs put 50 on them last week and that was the All Blacks B TEAM!
Puma, wat ons bekommerd moet maak is die volgende twee feite:
1. Skotland ‘weet’ daar is geen manier dat hulle NZ kan wen nie, daar is egter ‘n beter kans dat koningin Liesbet sal swanger raak, as wat so iets sal gebeur.
2. Skotland ‘dink’ hulle kan wel die Bokke klop, dit is nie vir hul onmoontlik nie, prinses Kyt kan wel swanger word, of sy wel gaan word is ‘n ander vraag.
Sorry Puma, I am multitasking here… am also busy in the process of administrating 2 computers in Pretoria, whilst I sit here in my office in Brakkenjanpan.
Small client emergency that I’m attending to.
Wonderful what remote control can do these days… and it’s something I do on a daily basis here right from my own comfy seat. Busy fixing all sorts of Software issues and configuration settings and problems. I see EXACTLY what is potting on the other PC, as if I’m sitting in front of it and working on it directly.
One can be in Europe, or China or anywhere… as long as your PC is on, and has an Internet connection… then I could take control if the Softwre and setup is correct to do it. The client sees his move move, me doing the necessary clicks and settings… and I could even switch him off, so that he does not see what I’m doing.
On another thread I copied a arctile a few days back about the 51 tour there. Another display of brilliant rugby where our forwards scored 9 tries. I had pasted that article here a day before rugby365 had some of it up there.
Going to copy it again from a thread I had. Just have to read it and weep! That was how we played in 51 dammit now we just want to kick everything. Hope today I eat humble pie seriously I will if we run in some good tries instead of all the damn penalties we will rely on getting our points. Up and unders all day, hate to see us playing that way.
7 @ bdb:
Hello BiDiBiDi.
Ek sien jy het nooit gesê of ook gevra vir ‘n Rugby-Talk Mail adres nie…. trust jy ons nie?
6: Morne was losskakel 😉
Weet nie of ons veel hardlooprugby gaan sien nie, met Lambie op losskakel gaan dit seker net ‘n geskop afgee ?
8 @ grootblousmile:
Good work gbs. I have no clue about computers well that sort of thing you do.
You work too hard, today is for rugby, braai and beers boeta…. 🙂
12 @ Puma:
A Person who works for himself is his own toughest boss… unfortunately…. and I have a slavedriver as a boss!
7 @ bdb:
Howzit bdb,
You see if a country beats you a few times they get that encouragment that they can do it again. They have a belief that if they do it once they can do it again and again. They have no belief in themselves to beat the All Blacks. We need to give them a serious klap today like we done in 97 or even 51 to get their repect again it seems.
10: Middag GBS, nee glad nie dit nie, het nog nie spesifiek daaroor gelees nie, ek het al so baie, weet nie of nog een ‘n verskil maak en of dit nodig is nie ?
15 @ bdb:
Wel, die aanbod staan… aan al die gereelde bloggers hier!
So skree net indien nodig, vrind.
14: ons moet goed begin, nie so swak soos laasweek nie, dan kan ons hul klap. Dit is tyd dat ons moet begin speel soos ‘n span wat nr.2 op die IRB ranglys is. Ander spanne vrees ons nie meer soos in die verlede nie, dit is nie goed nie. Volgende twee weke baie belangrik vir HM en die Bokke, moet wen en goed wen.
13 @ grootblousmile:
I know what you mean boet. I work for myself as well. Sometimes I do too much work as well, like working late at night or a Sunday sometimes. Crazy as I don’t have too, I just do as I enjoy it. Though next year I will take on less as life is tooooooooooooooo short. You catch a wake up when you lose someone so close to you. I have already booked two holidays for next year. Next year will be all about more travel for me and less work… Hoping!
16: dankie GBS, sal bietjie daar gaan lees. Nogmaals dankie vir hierdie blog waar ons lekker kan kom kuier sonder enige ‘dark side’ probleme.
18: ek dog jy werk vir Lambie ?
sien later manne.
20 @ bdb:
hahaha. Nee…
Okay here is that article. I had pasted it on Tuesday on the End of Year Tour thread.
Just read it and read it slowly…..hehehe. See how good we were back in 51 as today…. 🙄
Makes you want to weep about our beloved Boks.
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Scotland 0 – 44 South Africa
24th November 1951
Murrayfield
The Springboks won 30 out their 31 matches on tour, beating Scotland, England, Ireland, Wales, France and the Barbarians in the process. The defeat they inflicted on the Scots at Murrayfield became known as the “Murrayfield Massacre” and was so painful, it cast a shadow on the game for several seasons, with Scotland losing the next 14 games on the trot.
In fine conditions Scotland for some fifteen minutes held their opposition and even had one dangerous break headed by Elliot. Then suddenly their weaknesses were piteously exposed and the game exploded into a magnificent exhibition of combined handling and attacking play by the South African backs and forwards, backed up by some accurate goal kicking by A. Geffin who converted seven of the nine tries scored. The South African play was described as seven-a-side rugby played by fifteen men and there is a much-quoted comment made by a dazed Scottish supporter who was asked later what the score was and answered ’44-0 and we were lucky to get nothing’.
From “A Compendium of Scotland’s Matches”, by John McI. Davidson (Polygon, 1994)
Recollection: DONALD SCOTT
When I played in any match there were three things I thought the man opposite might do: they would run at me and try to beat me, they would run at me and pass the ball to change the angle of attack, or they would kick the ball. Well, the South Africans did all that, but they also did something I had never seen before: they ran into you. They looked at you and said: come and take me.
Now, in those days back-row forwards in British rugby used to corner-flag when their team lost the ball, they would run back diagonally towards the faraway corner. So when these guys hit us in the middle of the pitch, there was a big gap between the collision point and our cover defence, and they exploited that because after they hit us they turned and popped the ball, and they had three brilliant back-row forwards – led by the great Hennie Muller – who were coming in their slipstream and taking the ball on at pace.
South Africa scored nine tries against us and seven were scored by the forwards, which was really unusual in those days. You watch rugby now and it is all about contact, and laying the ball off in different ways – and that was the first time I saw that approach. We tackled all day, but when we got our opponents down the ball just wasn’t there. I remember, in the last minute of the game, I was totally knackered and found myself chasing their winger, a guy called Paul Johnstone. I got to him just as he was going over in the corner and forced him into touch. Now, I’m not a religious man, but I said at that point, ‘Dear Lord, get the referee to blow his whistle.’ And he did. I got up on my feet thinking I couldn’t have gone on, I was absolutely bushed. There is nothing more tiring in a game than having to tackle, tackle, tackle. It was a pretty miserable experience. The only comfort I can take is that I thought I did pretty well within the context of such a heavy defeat, and I was the only back reselected for the next game.
Taken from “Behind the Thistle: Playing Rugby for Scotland”, by David Barnes and Peter Burns (Birlinn, 2010)
19 @ bdb:
Plesier… ons het ‘n lekker rugby gemeenskap hier… en geen probleme nie.
20 @ bdb:
Sien jou later bdb.
Here is our anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhUMsqei7kM
Predictions for the game… and other games?
25 @ Puma:
Let’s hope the Scotish Anthem, Flower of Scotland… is a wilted flower at the end of the game!
Hehehe
Scottish Anthem. Give me goosebumps really. Have to admit it is AWESOME!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_6h8UZihU8
27 @ grootblousmile:
LOL. Hoping otherwise I can tell you those mates of mine over there will phone me all day long and send messages to rub it in. They are funny but heck they can over do it…..LOL.
I told them Boks by 18
I have Boks by 12 on bru. WE had better beat them this time otherwise egg on my face AGAIN like in 2010 and 2002………. 🙂
See on Sports 24 that Beast is out of hospital. Have copied that article but think we can put up one of our own as a thread to wish the Big Guy all the best.
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