Going through articles on various web sites I came across one where Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer explains some of his selections, where he sometimes got it wrong and sometimes got it right.

I know we as supporters tend to give the coach hell when he gets things wrong and things are a long way from being perfect, but we also need to give credit where it is due. I for one have not been that happy with the treatment from supporters with regards to Patrick Lambie, as I felt people were not putting things into perspective and thus could not judge him fairly.

The same however can be said for quite a few other players within the squad and of course a lot of things needs to change in order to have a team which plays a satisfactory style of play, doing justice to Springbok culture. I believe thus that supporters should be a little more patient and understanding as to what the problems are within Springbok rugby and what the coach is trying to achieve as well as why he is trying to achieve his goals, the way he is.

Of course the Springboks won ugly during the past tour to the Northern Hemisphere, but surely we should be happy the Springboks won for now and the coach should be given time to change things as the team grows. I would love to see a more expansive approach but there are a few things we should take into account.

  1. The coach is still quite new and with many young players you cannot just throw the game open to risk.
  2. The Coach of course not having coached for a while, was also a little outdated in his theories or selection policies and seem to be admitting it as such, thus the many strange selections and reverse in what he was saying he was trying to do.
  3. We need to take into account that the Springbok team is without many injured stars like Francois Steyn, Andries Bekker, Bryan Habana, Tendai “Beast” Mtawarira, Bismark du Plessis, Heinrich Brüssow, Pierre Spies, Schalk Burger and Johan Goosen, to name a few, and of course the Springboks have some stars playing around the world who are now unavailable due to their subscribed contracts.
  4. The players have just toured after the longest season in South African rugby history and surely it should be taken into account that a players body – irrespective of being Professional or not or earning huge amounts of money – can only take so much. If one takes Jannie du Plessis as an example, this tight head prop has played 36 matches in one season, something that was unheard of before.
  5. Of  course the conditions on most of the playing surfaces were atrocious, for example we saw in the Springboks vs Ireland test how large chunks of grass was being ripped out due to the wet conditions.

 

WHAT AREAS OF THE GAME DO WE EXPECT THE COACH TO RECTIFY?

  1. Interplay between the players for continuity of attacking play.
  2. Empowerment of players and giving them freedom to express themselves in the game.
  3. Acceptance of the current style of play is not enough to grow as a team and adopting the modern game which includes  a more expansive style, should be implemented.
  4. Look critically at the Coaching staff, see who really enhances the team’s progress.
  5. Grow or expand the depth in the squad so that players are not overplayed. To my understanding this should be the provincial coach’s responsibility but one also has to take into account who actually pays the player salaries as well as the fact that if these top players did not play in the local competitions it would downgrade them resulting in the already low spectator volumes dropping even more.
  6. Improve the understanding between forwards and backs, as there is clearly a huge gap in gelling the team as a unit. Skill levels at times is also not as it should be.

All we can say in hind sight is that the head coach’s job is not an easy one and as much as one would want to castigate the coach for poor selections, game plans and game styles, supporters should be big enough to be patient and understand what the coach is trying to achieve as well as why he is doing it in way he knows best. I have no doubt one can put any other coach in place and he  will still always go about it in his own way, until such time as he feels he has settled in, then when he finds things are not working, he will still have to change to whatever it requires to have a winning team.

 

PLAYERS WHO CHANGED HEYNEKE MEYER’S MIND

The article below, was penned by Gavin Rich on 26 November 2012:

The best Springbok coaches have been those that have been prepared to admit their mistakes and who haven’t been weighed down by blind spots, and in that respect Heyneke Meyer has offered plenty of encouragement to those who want to see South Africa rise back to the top of the rugby pile.

Meyer has been forthright in admitting that he has made many errors, and got a few selections wrong on the way through an often turbulent first year at the helm of the Boks. And on Sunday he admitted before returning home to South Africa that there had been several players he had been wrong about and who had surprised him.

Patrick Lambie, after being backed to start at No 10 in every game of the just completed end of year tour, is of course right at the top of the list of players that Meyer may have a lot more faith in now than he had when he started out back in May.

Without quite saying it in as many words, Meyer made it clear that Lambie would be at the top of the flyhalf queue when the international season starts next year. He said Lambie had done all he had been asked to do when he was selected to wear the Bok No 10 jersey, and his praise for what Lambie did on tour has been a far cry from the message he gave the Sharks player when they first met for a one-on-one interview.

Back then Meyer made it clear that he considered Lambie more of a fullback than a flyhalf, and that Lambie was low down on the list of flyhalves but second on the pecking order when it came to fullbacks. “I did think Pat was mostly a fullback. I had seen him play as a youngster in that one Currie Cup final (Sharks against Western Province in 2010) when I thought he was very tactically astute, but I thought he had lost a lot of that since then,” said Meyer. “He hasn’t played much as a flyhalf since then, and I felt that there were big improvements he needed to make in his tactical game.

But then I started seeing in training that he could play a good tactical game, and against England at Twickenham he really underlined it. I thought he was brilliant in the wet conditions. “One of the things I really like about him is that he never panics, and he is so level headed.

One of the problems before was that he was never one of those guys who boasted an 85% success rate in kicking for goal. I wasn’t sure he could handle the pressure of being the frontline place-kicker in a test match. Remember that Frederic Michalak appeared to end the last Super Rugby season as the frontline kicker for the Sharks.” Meyer said that as he still rated Morne Steyn’s ability, the decision to select Lambie as the first choice flyhalf on tour had been a huge call for him to make. “He is not a natural flyhalf, but he is getting there and the more he plays there the better he will get.

He is great at seeing space and playing players into it. And his goalkicking on tour was good. He showed me that he can kick under pressure. One of the reasons we won at Twickenham was because for the first time this year we ended with a 100% goalkicking record.” While Lambie has earned a thumbs up from the coach, and the Sharks’ decision to play him exclusively as a flyhalf next year will certainly help his cause, the man who really shocked and astounded Meyer this year was actually loose-forward Francois Louw.

After starting the year by invoking the ire of many Bok supporters by ignoring the claims of specialist fetcher Heinrich Brussow, Meyer eventually acknowledged that his loose trio lacked balance and an SOS was sent to the former WP player, who has been playing for Bath for the past 15 months. “Francois was definitely the player who totally blew me away.

I think we saw in these tests over here in the northern hemisphere that it is not so much about the battle on the ground. In Super Rugby there was a lot of blowing of players for going off their feet when cleaning at the ruck, but I haven’t seen it once in the November tests this year. “So I don’t know if you need a specialist openside, but Francois brings so much to our game and he has really been phenomenal for us this year.

The good thing is that Marcell Coetzee also appears to be learning from Flo, so we should next season have two players who can both play to the ball and carry when needed to. “Francois also plays really well with Duane Vermeulen, and he is another guy I have been surprised about.

I normally like my openside flank to play to the ball, and the blindside flank to be a carrier, and then the No 8 to be a really pacy guy like Ryan Kankowski or Pierre Spies who can contribute in broken play. “But although Duane is certainly not the quickest No 8, he brings so many things. He sets the lineout drive so well, and he is a great stealer, and works well in tandem with Flo in that regard. He is the perfect player to have at No 8 in the northern hemisphere conditions.”

10 Responses to Are supporters too impatient with coaches and players?

  • 1

    I know this is a long read, and trust me as one is writing so many more things pop into ones mind and it would just have gone on and on, my idea here was to just keep it as simple as possible

  • 2

    Hey Sharkie a good read and pleased to see the article mentions patience among the fans is needed. As far as the players are concerned if there is one word that I think sums up for me after watching the first 2 tests on the tour its URGENCY, I feel that this is something lacking and they need to play the whole game with more urgency and not as slowly as they seemed to at times but in doing that and playing a faster game I guess we will have to put up with more handling errors and perhaps opening ourselves up to more turnovers and possible intercepts until the players master it, but its their job so they should be able to do it. One thing that was very impressive for me particularly in the Scotland game and now that I seen the stats for the England game too was the defence the success rate againts Scotland was well in the 90’s% in a game Boks had to make so many tackles, I see for the game against England the stats say we made 155 tackles and missed 13, while the number of missed ones was a bit up on the game against Scotland that is still a goo proportion of tackles made vs missed and the 155 tackles made was even more than I think the 138 that was quoted for the game against Scotland. So hats off to both the players for their commitment in the tackle and the defensive coaches, many and I for one must admit was also one was concerned about this aspect once Mr Meyer wasn’t able to get the defence ‘guru’ Nienaber.

  • 3

    Ok, my R20 worth.

    Too much of HM’s selections were forced on him through injury. And the players he selected in their places stepped up to plate. Much like PDV’s tenure.
    Game plan was one dimensional. Kick the ball, or give it to Alberts to run. Or if no 10 passes, 12 bashes it up. Again, much like PDV.
    I don’t buy the point that he was out of coaching for while. He returned to the Bulls as director of rugby. As an astute rugby man, surely he would have kept up to date with trends in rugby, and what the law chnages were supposed to do?

    He has got somewhere with the forwards, but I fear our backline play has regressed somewhat. We need a no 9 who is quick to get the ball out, and a no 12 who is also a playmaker. I am afraid, very afraid for next year if JDV remains captain.

  • 4

    As stated in the article by Gavin Rich, the most important thing is for the coach to be able to recognise when he has made a mistake and/or things are not working, and then be big enough to change/adapt. So far HM has shown that he can adapt and learn from his errors but he is very conservative by nature and errs too often on the side of “sticking the course”, so all pressure on him to open his mind is useful. Calling for patience from saffer rugby fans is senseless though as there are no fans anywhere in the world that like to lose. The saffer fans have high expectations for the Boks and that is not going to change for any coach.
    The coach is a professional, getting paid a huge salary to do a job that he dearly wanted, not a volunteer, with no pay doing a job that no one wants. Facing criticism goes with the territory. We should not be discussing whether fans should have patience or whether the criticism is fair, but we should be evaluating the results and determining if it meets realistic expectations.
    My personal evaluation of HM would be results a bit poorer than it ought to have been, but not as bad as it could have been. I think that he remains the only decent saffer prospect for coach besides White and Mallet and I think he should have the chance to stay on as long as the Boks are making progress, to 2019 and even beyond. We need some continuity in Bok rugby and there should be realistic performance clauses, but if the coach is performing, why should we change him if he wants to continue. Results should be all that matter.
    I think if Meyer obtains a 70% win percentage and the Boks are in the top 3 at the end of 2015, he should be given chance to continue. I would not personally be happy with those numbers, indeed I would only be happy if the Boks won every test, but as long as the coach learns from his mistakes, I will scream like a plucked turkey, but I will bear with him.

  • 5

    Then just something I would like to point out, in a friendly way, to all the “rugby armchair experts” who give out in depth technical advice and criticisms. These coaches and players know all and more about these aspects. It’s not that they don’t know any of these things, it comes down to CHOICES. They choose to do things the way they do for many reasons. It’s not ignorance or stupidity, or that they don’t know rugby. They weigh things up and have many different options and then choose to play in a certain way. Please understand I am not hereby saying that bloggers shouldn’t criticise the technical aspects. Everyone should be free to discuss what they enjoy and the points close to their heart, I’m just pointing out that rugby is a professional game which these coaches and players do every day for a living. They are fully aware of all the technicalities, they take their chances, throw the dice and hope it comes up trumps for them. If they win we laud them, if they lose we disparage them. We live vicariously through them and they earn a good living in return. Go Rugby and go the bokke!

  • 6

    5 @ The_Young_Turk:So it is cool for me to say that the forwards did a good job, but the backs played like shit, had no idea when attacking, kick the ball away aimlessly, but defended really well. Just like the Stormers?

  • 7

    @ Loosehead:
    Of course you are free to say whatever you like, you certainly don’t need and I’m sure don’t care about my permission. I even agree with your opinion. Was just trying to get across that the coach is aware of what is going wrong and he is not doing it out of ignorance of the game. I suppose I’m just being pedantic as the result is the same thing at the end of the day. I’m just saying that the coach knows what things are wrong. He is trying to achieve another result but going about it in a poor way.

  • 8

    This is from an article on sportlive.co.za, Pierre Spies the CENTRE left out because of injury? Hmm, maybe to some spectators it would appear that he often plays in that position

  • 9

    Oops sorry, hit ‘submit’ without including the article

    Meyer had traveled with an inexperienced team after injuries forced him to leave many senior players home. The likes of wing Bryan Habana, the country’s rugby player of the year, centre Pierre Spies, hooker Bismarck du Plessis and loose forwards Schalk Burger were not considered for the tour.

  • 10

    Well I had said on the Bok/England game thread. Think for now we should put our support behind Meyer. Get off his back and support him. Give him the next 3 games or after this RC in 2013. Then honestly if he does not show any improvement with the team and I don’t mean just winning, but some sort of playing style we then should complain. Until then I will support him.

    I did support him at the start in the first two tests this year, as we showed some great rugby in the first and 2nd test, sure only for 40min in both those tests. Then in PE I was so annoyed that he kept Morne on and not brought Elton on as I thought Elton may have got his kicks over there. Thought we missed a chance of beating England with a clean sweep. Then again he left Lambie on the bench in Mendoza when Morne was having a dreadful day again. He had got plenty wrong this year and I have voiced my opinion. Now to back off and give the Coach support until after the RC. He fails there then he will hear my opinion again.

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