The Toyota Cheetahs left on their overseas leg of this year’s Super Rugby season.
Naka Drotske has made a number of changes and today announced his side to face the Brumbies.
Hopefully this will ignite, what has been a lack lustre Cheetahs team, that will face up against the Brumbies at the Canberra Stadium in Canberra, on Saturday 10 March at 06:35 SA Time.
Team:
1. Coenie “Shrek” Oosthuizen
2. Adriaan Strauss (c)
3. WP Nel
4. George Earle
5. Izak van der Westhuizen
6. Heinrich Brussow
7. Phillip van der Walt
8. Ashley Johnson
9. Tewis de Bruyn
10. Johan Goosen
11. Willie le Roux
12. Phillip Snyman
13. Robert Ebersohn
14. Cameron Jacobs
15. Hennie Daniller
Replacements:
16. Trevor Nyakane
17. Hercu Liebenberg
18. Davon Raubenheimer
19. Justin Downey
20. Piet van Zyl
21. Sias Ebersohn
22. Rayno Benjamin
As expected Coenie returns, after his neck operation. I hope that this will signal the return of a more physical rucking approach from the Cheetahs. In other changes George Earl replaces Andries Ferreira, Raubenheimer is demoted to the bench, to make way for the bustling Johnson. Amongst the backs, Cameron Jacobs gets a start in the place of Rocco Jansen. With Waltie Vermeulen not available due to study commitments, and Lappies Labuschagne still recovering from a shoulder injury, the Cheetahs have opted for Raubenheimer on the bench, as lock cover. I am unsure, if Ferreira is injured, or is out of favour.
The Cheetahs have not shown any of their usual physical, or expansive approach thus far in the Super 15, but hopefully they will take this opportunity against a revamped Brumbies team. the Cheetahs will do well to take cognisance of the Brumbies win in their 1st match, and not be complacent!
Yes!!…Coenie and Ashley both in the team. Sal gaaf wees as ou Juan ook kon join. Hoop maar my Cheetah’s trek hulle sokkies op. Bulle het hulle lelik pak slae gegee.
Better with Coenie back and Ashley Johnson starting…. but why in hell keep going with Matewis de Bruyn in stead of Piet van Zyl at scrummie?
… and there’s still a problem at the centres…
Snyman at centre was shown up badly… OK I know that Andries Strauss is still suspended this week, but hell the Cheetahs will have to organise their backline defence better and drift better, as a unit, on defence, helping to cover the wings who themselves are defensively a bit suspect on defence.
4 Tries against the current centres and wings, says I’m right!
#2 @ GBS
I know how you feel about the Cheetahs centers GBS, but in fairness, Snyman played well at 12 last year. The Cheetahs were not allowed to play well vs a very good Bulls side. Lets wait a tad before passing judgement on the lad. (Not our fault the Bulls stole our best talent!!) The bulls were just simply awesome on saturday, and the Cheetahs woeful.
Apparently Ferreira, did not go on tour as a result of his studies, which is fair enough.
Agree on tewis, back the young guns Goosen, and van Zyl, and bring young Rademan in from the Varsity Cup
3 @ Cheetah4eva:
Thing is, I think you overestimate how good the Bulls were. The Bulls are not the finished Article, not by a long shot… not yet!
Look, I’ll back off on Snyman… for now… but then if he’s not the problem or part of the problem, then the Cheetahs backline defensive system is a bigger problem than I initially thought. Also, the previous week against the Lions, Andries Strauss was better in organising the Cheetahs backline defence.
In general I don’t have a problem with the Cheetahs centres either… I think Robert Ebersohn is a great attacking centre, just not the best defender. I specifically like him and his brother…. their father, Tiaan Ebersohn (who was a marvelous centre in his days), went to Grey College with my elder brother, Kruppelbroer.
Brother, you’ve got to learn to be critical of your own side, and see their weaknesses… just like I have to be able to be critical on the Bulls, when there is a problem.
The Ozzmob, Brumbies included, run very good offensive backline lines… if the Cheetahs don’t adapt and shore up their backline drift defensive structure, Saturday morning might get very, very long for you okes too… and that is what I want to avoid as much as you Cheetahs supporters want to avoid it.
In fact, against the Ozzmob sides, one is often better suited to playing the rush defensive system or umbrella defensive system, hemming them in and cutting their space and time on the ball. One must play IN their faces and give them no room to breathe!
After the Bulls, the Cheetahs is my team of choice, far ahead of the Sharks, Stormers and Lions (and in that particular order)! The roots of both my parents lie in the Free State, my mother was from Clocolan in the beautiful Eastern Free State, my father from near Kroonstad PLUS my family has a rich history at Grey College and Oranje Meisies Hoër. My father wore the Vrystaat No 2 jersey in his days!
Tewis is crap.
The VRYSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT can beat the Brumbies, Rebels and Canes. We have beaten the Crusaders before. [Ok not over there, but stil.]
So lets say 2 from 4 overseas……….I will be happy with that.
5 @ Loosehead:
That will mean by the time they come back to SA, they will have lost 4, won 2… placing them already on the borderline of not qualifying for the play-off’s.
Like last year, a team who loses 5 games in Super Rugby, can expect to be out of the running, definaltely out of Home-Semi contention, I think.
I hear you, it’s just disruptive to a backline when injuries/suspension kicks in. Lets see how they go, because in their matches vs the stormers their defence was much better.
Bulls may not be the finished article, but they were way more fluid on attack, and brutally efficient at the breakdowns on saturday. If they can improve/maintain those standards, they will be hard to beat anywhere.
Maybe I am just the eternal optimist lol
5 @ Loosehead:
You’re sitting pretty on Rugby-Talk Varsity Cup 2012 SUPERBRU… congrats
6@ grootblousmile:
When you are Cheetahs supporter you learn to live with [sometimes] not making the play off’s.
9 @ Loosehead:
No man, it’s like accepting that your Fillet Steaks will be tough, your beer vrot, your wife vry fat, your showdogs gruffy and sub-standard!
8@ grootblousmile:
Thanks, just wish that my S15 was doing better.
I must be hones though, the draw between UCT and Pukke, my calling a draw was a mistake which I tried to correct but couldn’t. [or was it BRILLIANCE?]
10@ grootblousmile:I really don’t like fillet steak, I am off drinking beer, my wife ain’t exactly Kate Moss thin………….but don’t you fukken insult my dogs!!!!!! I’ll moer you stukkend China!
@ Loosehead:
Het enige iemand Saterdag se game-stats vir die Bulls vs Cheetahs. Ek voel die Cheetahs het met tye goed gelyk and mooi aangeval, maar n klompie turn-overs het dit alles vir ons bevark. Stupid foute en swak defense het ons duur gekos. Die ouens het begin paniek en toe eskaleer dinge net verder. Dink tog die span lyk nie te bad nie en ek glo hulle het baie meer potensiaal. Die paar friendlies was veronderstel om te help, maar ek glo nie dit het nie. Kom tyd kom raad…ek sal nie ophou glo en duim vashou die Cheetahs doen beter as laas jaar.
12 @ Loosehead:
Bwahahahaha
14 @ bos_otter:
Here’s a link:
http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2012/rugby/match/151281.html
#14 @ bos_otter
Stem heeltemal saam, die ouens het goed deskrum, maar die intensiteit by die afbreekpunte, was non existant. Cheetahs het nie oornag ‘n slegte span geword nie, hulle sal beter vaar, sommer gou gou. Eish “raak houd”
16 @ grootblousmile:
In die stats lyk die Cheetahs nie sleg nie… maar dis hoekom ek altyd sê, stats is MOERRRR misleidend…
… my oge vertel ‘n heel ander storie…. en die scoreboard ook!
Stats vertel nie vir jou daai gewende lynstaanbal was slordig en onder druk nie, dit vertel ook nie vir jou daai spesifieke ene was ‘n swak ingooi deur die haker nie..
Stats vertel ook nie vir jou hoe vinnig was losbal gewen / behou deur ‘n span op die grond nie en in watter areas van die veld het ‘n span sy turnovers gewen of verloor nie.
Stats vertel ook nie vir jou watter gemisde tackles het tot drieë gelei of uitgeloop nie.
Stats vertel nie vir jou hoeveel meer dominant was ‘n span se pak voorspelers nie of hoe goed voorspelers en agterspelers gekombineer het nie.
…. daai goed kan net deur fyn waarneming oorvertel word… en / of gesien word…
So paar stellings en reaksies op dinge wat julle gese het.
Ek sien die Staat en sommige ander gaan mal oor Goosen, ek is glad nie impress deur hom nie. Vir my was die ander Ebersohn baie goed laasjaar en dalk is dit net daar waar die Cheetah senters die skoppende nommer 10 nie lekker verstaan.
Oor die senters, my mening is dat die Bulle nou die regte plek vir Wynand gevind het, of het ek te veel BLs gedrink, hy WAS mos op 13?
Die Bulle kon geen drie druk teen die Sharks nie, en skielik click die agterlyn. Ek dink dit was maar net n poks en dat die Cheetahs meer oor die ref bekommer het as om die game te speel.
Ashley MOET begin, hy kombineer baie goed met Brussow, ek weet nie hoekom Naka nie maar dit in sy kop kry dat hierdie ou soos ons Pedrie Wanenburg is nie, hy is so getrou aan sy span en speel so voluit maar nog meer HY TREK sy mede spelers.
Kyk wat GBS se (#18) is seker waar die stats moet verkeerd wees, die Staat het maar net swak gespeel
Elke Bul paas het gestick en die skoppies het mooi in ons hande gespring, maar ooe hel dit was lekker om te aanskou. As dit nou nie n poks was nie dan wag daar lekker dae vir Bul ondersteuners, wat ek dus probeer se ek hou my voete op die grond en geniet die rit, die groot games en toetse kom nog.
#19 @ Supa,
Die rede hoekom ons opgewonde is oor Goosen is oor die potensial wat die y
Jong man het. Ek hou ook van Sias, maar neem in ag, dat hy ook gesukkel het om sy voete in senior rugby te vind. Onthou Goosen het laasjaar nog skole rugby gespeel!
Dink terug, aan hoe ouens soos Morne, Lambie, en Carter gevaar het as jong 20 jarige spelers! Goosen lyk net heel gemaklik op die vlak, en hy gaan algaande beter raak. Onthou ook, dat die makliker is om in ‘ n dominante span die spil te wees. Daar gebeur dinge, as die man die bal kry. Hy gaan nog simple foute maak. Ouens soos Naas Botha raak nie sommer opgewonde oor ‘ n speler nie, en Naas, ken sy rugby. Ek is nie ‘n bul nie, maar daai man, praat nogal sense.
Hold judgement on Goosen till the end of the year!
Cheetah4eva wrote:
Dis reg so , ek het net eenvoudig baie van Sias gehou en die game laasjaar teen die Crusaders wat hy vir Carter gedomineer het sal nie sommer weer gebeur nie.
Cheetahs 33-20 Crusaders
For Cheetahs:
Tries: R Ebersohn, S Ebersohn, Johnson
Con: S Ebersohn 3
Pen: S Ebersohn 4
For Crusaders:
Tries: Guildford, Carter
Con: Carter 2
Pen: Carter 2
It was partly the Ebersohn show, with twins Sias and Robert doing their international futures no harm with brilliant displays against the former champions. Sias at flyhalf and Robert at centre were monumental in the win, but there were many other heroes, especially flanker Ashley Johnson. Man-of-the-match Sias scored 23 points via a try, four penalties and three conversions and Robert the opening try.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/article1067621.ece/Cheetahs-put-Crusaders-to-sword
See my memory is not that short and with that i rest my case, with this last statement. Naka is ruining a very good players (Sias Ebersohn) future.
In this quoted paragraph in the Sunday Times all i said was reaffirmed.
OK…so uit daarmee…hoeveel het die Bulls die Cheetahs betaal om te verloor? Geen manier wat die Cheetahs so k@k kan speel nie!! 🙂
bos_otter wrote:
cheap man baie min, so paar sakke harde hout om jul pap weer sterker te kan maak. Lyk my daai geneties gemanipuleerde mielies doen nie meer die ding nie.
Morné Steyn and Johan Goosen are the best 2 SA flyhalves, followed by Elton Jantjies… in that specific order.
#25 en wat van wunderkind Lambie? jy sal dat die mense apies kraam jong!
26 @ Tripples:
Lambie sal sy skoppe pale toe moet verbeter… en mynsinsiens is hy anyway ‘n beter heelagter.
superBul wrote:
Nee Super…almal soek mos deesdae “organic” produkte. Ek jy praat waar. Ek dink hulle kort bietjie meer skaap en beesvleis by dieet.
27 @ GBS,
En selfs op heelagter, gaan Lambie moet produce! Die kompetisie vir die Bok baadjie daar gaan ook woes wees. Taute na my mening los hande ons beste 15, tot dusver. Met ouens soos Kirchner, Ludik, Viljoen, en Pietersen wat ook kan aanspraak maak
29 @ Cheetah4eva:
Ja, ons heelagters lyk goed!
Ek is nogal impressed met Zane Kirchner sover, hy het my nie verlede jaar impress nie.
Jaco Taute speel bleddie goed, ek dink ook dis tyd vir hom in die Bokke.
Joe Pietersen is ook in goeie vorm, hy was baie goed voor hy Frankryk toe was, maar het ongelukkig min speelkans daar gekry.
Choppie Viljoen ook heel bestendig vir die Tjarkies.
Ek is bly so baie spelers steek hande op…. dit gee Heyneke Meyer baie opsies!
Maar dis nie net beperk to heelagters of losskakels nie….
Daar is paar slotte wat baie goed deurkom, veral Juandré Kruger & Eben Etsebeth.
Klompie senters wat goed woeker
Paar losvoorspelers wat nou hard begin klop
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