Peter de Villiers will announce his team on Tuesday. In the meantime lets see who can get it closest. Pick your team and state in the post that that is YOUR FINAL team. I will sort the respective teams and see who understands Peter de Villiers’s thinking the most.
This is the provisional squad announced last week. Frans Steyn will not be available and i dont know if he was replaced in this squad. If you feel someone will be brought in from outside go ahead pick him, after all it is your team.
The provisional squad is:
Forwards
BJ Botha (Ulster)
Schalk Burger (Vodacom Stormers)
Jannie du Plessis (Sharks)
Ryan Kankowski (Sharks)
Francois Louw (Vodacom Stormers)
Victor Matfield (Vodacom Bulls)
Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks)
Dewald Potgieter (Vodacom Bulls)
Chiliboy Ralepelle (Vodacom Bulls)
Danie Rossouw (Vodacom Bulls)
John Smit (Sharks, Captain)
Juan Smith (Vodaocm Cheetahs)
Pierre Spies (Vodacom Bulls)
Gurthro Steènkámp (Vodacom Bulls)
CJ van der Linde (Vodacom Cheetahs)
Flip van der Merwe (Vodacom Bulls)
Backs
Gio Aplon (Vodacom Stormers)
Juan de Jongh (Vodacom Stormers)
Jean de Villiers (Vodacom Stormers)
Jaque Fourie (Vodacom Stormers)
Bryan Habana (Vodacom Stormers)
Francois Hougaard (Vodacom Bulls)
Ricky Januarie (Vodacom Stormers)
Butch James (Bath)
Zane Kirchner (Vodacom Bulls)
Wynand Olivier (Vodacom Bulls)
JP Pietersen (Sharks)
Frans Steyn (Racing Metro)
Morne Steyn (Vodacom Bulls)
MY Pick
15. Zane Kirchner
14. JP Peterson
13. Wynand Olivier
12. Juan de Jongh
11. Bryan Habana
10. Morne Steyn
09. F Hougaard
08. P Spies
07. S Burger
06. Francios Louw
05. V Matfield
04. Danie Roussouw
03. BJ Botha
02. J Smit
01. G Steenkamp
superBul: isn’t JDV still banned and Francois Steyn out injured?
15. Zane Kirchner, only because Steyn is injured
14. JP Peterson
13. Jaque Fourie
12. Juan de Jongh, only becasue I think that JDV is still banned
11. Bryan Habana
10. Morne Steyn
09. F Hougaard
08. S Burger, how can people still be picking the show pony?
07. J Smith
06. D Potgieter
05. V Matfield
04. Danie Roussouw
03. BJ Botha
02. J Smit
01. CJ
@ Loosehead:
Think JF too
As far as I know Jaque Fourie is still banned for that test.
1. Guthro
2. John Smit
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Danie Rossouw
5. Vicki
6. Schalk
7. Juan Smith
8. P. Spies but would have loved to see Duane Vermeulen
9. Hougaardt
10. Morne
11. Habana
12. Jean de Villiers
13. Juan de Jongh
14. JP Pietersen
15 Gio Aplon
Ek sien Piet-hulle het BJ Botha nie op die bus nie. Wat `n gemors.
1 G Steenkamp
2 Johannes Smit
3 J du Plessis
4 D Rossouw
5 V Matfield
6 S Burger
7 J Smith
8 P Spies
9 F Hougaard
10 M Steyn
11 B Hapbanana
12 W Olivier
13 J de Villiers
14 JP Pietersen
15 Z Kirchner
Hulle los ons met geen keuse nie. Ek sal ook 5 vories langs die veld he en Januarie huis toe stuur. Se moer.
Nou wanneer almal weer reg is, kan Fourie langs Olivier inskuif en Steyn op heelagter. Die span is maar flou vir a SA span.
1. Gurthro Steenkamp
2. John Smit
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Danie Rossouw
5. Victor Matfield
6. Dewalt Potgieter
7. Juan Smith
8. Schalk Burger
9. Francois Hougard
10. Morne Steyn
11. B. Habana
12. Jean de Villiers
13. Juan de Jongh
14. JP Pietersen
15. Gio Aplon
@ Loosehead:
I like the way you think, but don’t you think Spies will be more effective when Juan Smith is back.
Do you think the combination of Potgieter, Smith and Burger will be more physical?
1. Gurthro Steenkamp
2. John Smit
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Danie Rossouw
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Juan Smith
8. Pierre Spies
9. Francois Hougard
10. Morne Steyn
11. B. Habana
12. Juan de Jongh
13. JP Pietersen
14. Gio Aplon
15. Zane Kirchner
@ biltongbek:
My neighbours 14 year old daughter is more physical than Spies.
I can’t see how he keeps on being selected when he has done nothing in the last 3 matches except dissapear.
@ Loosehead:
I don’t disagree with you about the physicality of Spies, but Juan Smith will help the Boks to get go forward ball from the break downs, and perhaps Spies needs one more chance to show us whether he is capable of being effective when we have more momentum?
Ai, my naweke het net begin lekker raak, en nou begin die Bokke weer speel.
Hier is my span:
1. Gurthro Steenkamp
2. John Smit
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Danie Rossouw
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Juan Smith
8. Pierre Spies
9. Francois Hougaard
10. Morne Steyn
11. Brian Habana
12. Wynand Olivier
13. Juan de Villiers
14. JP Pietersen
15. Zane Kirchner
16. Chilliboy Ralapele
17. CJ vd Linde
18. Flip vd Merwe
19. Dewald Potgieter
20. Ricky Januarie
21. Butch James
22. Juan de Jong
bdb @ 11
wêlly wêlly funny, bru
watch us kick some kiwi ass this weekend (i hope!!)
12: hoop ook ons wen, gee nie om hoe nie, al is dit soos die WP deesdae met ‘vervelige’ bloubul skop wenrugby.
Ek het my kop op ‘n blok gesit aan die begin van die 3N, so sal maar daarby moet bly. Die AB’s het met daardie twee geweldig oortuigende oorwinnings teen ons in die land waar die WB volgende jaar beslis word (met bonuspunte ok, en ons nie een nie!), die momentum oorgeneem vir die volgende 2 jaar. Sal graag verkeerd bewys wil word, maar dink nie ek gaan nie.
‘n Oorwinning is natuurlik belangrik vir ons vir 2 redes:
1. sodat die AB’s sal weet daar is wel ‘n span wat hul kan klop (die bietjie twyfel daar sal wees),
2. om te keer dat die AB’s 18 agtereenvolgende oorwinnings behaal vir ‘n nuwe WB rekord (hul staan tans op 13, en as hul ons saterdag wen, gaan hul daardie rekord maklik breek die res van die jaar en volgende jaar).
Die enigste ding wat sal opmaak vir die groot pakslae wat ons in NZ gekry het, is dat ons ‘n 50-tal teen hul sal aanteken. Maar, die kanse dat dit gaan gebeur is omtrent so min as wat jy ‘n rugby trofee in Nuweland se trofeekas gaan opspoor ! En, let wel, ‘n rugby trofee wat Nuweland se span gewen het, nie die Bokke en Bulle nie. 😉
We are going to lose again at FNB Stadium… I fear.
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@ grootblousmile:
Me too.
15@ biltongbek:
skuus, man 😉
16@ Loosehead:
There is just that critical ingredient missing…
Fourie du Preez, Brussow… and of course 2 good Assistant coaches.
In addition some players are way off form… Spies, Smit, Jean de Villiers…
I feel that is just too much against a boyant All Blacks side!
@ grootblousmile:
Lets wait and see how the team looks when it is chosen tomorrow.
I think that Ricky will be at 9 with Hougaard on the wing.
What you say is true, when fit and on form Smit, Spies, JDV, Matfield etc are brilliant. At the moment they [except for JDV who was played out of position] look crap.
@ grootblousmile:
The thing with the assistant coaches bothers me. We might just be laying too much blame on them.
Surely PDV lays out his coaching plan and systems and they must just impliment them? He would ,hardly, pick assistants who do not share his vision? My opinion [even though I think that they, especially Muir, are crap] is that the buck stops with PDV.
@ Loosehead:
Well whatever the problem with these coaches, it needs fixing, and if it isn’t fixed, we can kiss the RWC goodbye.
@ biltongbek:
The RWC doesn’t really bother me. Playing crap rugby bothers me.
Smit, Matfield, Habana do not become crap players within the space in time between the S14 final and the 3N.
@ Loosehead:
I agree, I don’t mind if we lose when we played great rugby and lost to a better team on the day, but sadly the Tri Nations is gone, a grand slam is ahead, and then onwards to a world cup.
Yes, they don’t become crap players overnight, but it doesn’t seem we are ever going to find out what the hell is going on there, everyone is keeping quiet, and if they do speak it is listening to a tape recording that everyone had to memorise.
20@ Loosehead:
I see the National Coach as the “Prime Man Manager” in the Bokke setup, responsible for strategic planning and selection and laying the game plan out, whereas I see the Assitant Coaches as the Technical Coaches who have to employ this broad strategy and do the technical coaching very bloody well.
I do not rate Dick Muir at all, specially since the Super 14..
I hear Gold is a meticulous planner, but is he a good Technical Coach? I think not. Maybe he’ll make a far better Head Coach than an Assistant Coach… who knows.
What we do know is that we’ve got excellent Coaches in the wings who could easily replace Muir and Gold at the drop of a hat.
Does Divvie tick the Boxes in terms of my definition for Head Coach, let’s look critically at the situation:
1. He has a bad touch with the Media
2. His pre-Tri-Nations planning was sub-standard
3. His choice of assistants has let us down
4. His game plan options have fell way short
5. His man-management seems to be up to standard, except handling the Fransie Steyn case well
6. I question his management style, involving the senior players too much
7. Bokke seem to be regressing whereas the All Blacks and Wallabies seem to be building and improving
biltongbek wrote:
Dont you think the finger must be pointed to motivation. Like PdV said in the interview.
What have you learnt from the unexpected reversal of form for the Springboks?
If you go back to 2008 I was new and the players were working hard to be in my good books. Then came 2009 and the inspiration was to win the (British & Irish) Lions series. Then we’d almost wrapped up the Tri-Nations by winning our three matches in South Africa, so there was more motivation for us. Then we had two teams in a Super 14 final in 2010 for the second time, and suddenly there was nothing to play for except another Tri-Nations. What was there to motivate them internally to go that extra mile? The second thing I’ve learnt is that as a group we need to be on the same page all the time. After winning the Tri-Nations last year I think the management team and the players slacked off a bit because we felt all we had to do was rock up and things would be easy.
Eintlik n slegte erkening van foute wat baie die vinger na peter toe wys. Ek belowe jou HM wat sielkunde ken sou die manne iets gegee het om voor te speel. Maar dan weer dis nie so moerse trainsmash as die probleem net motivering is nie, kry net die koppe reg.
24@ grootblousmile:
I think that we have a few very good replacements for Muir and Gold, BUT do they share the same vision as PDV? Would Heyneke and SlapTjips [for example]agree with his game plan etc?
It is either this: the senior players run the show [as we are so often told] and therefore they are responsible for the crap games so far, and PDV is responsible for allowing them to run the show
or
PDV and his coaching team run the show and they are responsible.
Either way the Boks have been crap in the 3N and I can’t see this being turned around.
25@ superBul:
Maybe you’ve hit the nail on the head here… if there was an obvious lack of motivation due to the team’s recent history, that is exactly where Divvie should have been strong and innovative, to create a situation where motivation is at an all-time high.
… and he has not achieved that…
@ grootblousmile:
What would have felt better than to beat the All Blacks again and make them doubt their coach just before the World Cup.
But really the empowerment of his player went too far , he is not totally in control anymore.
Look what he said about FdP, nice words to hear but is that not undermining the TEAM spirit?
It has been said the Boks have missed Fourie du Preez from a kicking perspective and Heinrich Brussow at the breakdown. Is it really as simple as that?
It is. Fourie is someone you can’t replace. You can find someone with other attributes, but you can’t find someone to replace him. The kicking part of his game is only one part of his brilliance. There’s still his decision-making, his reading of the game and the fact that he can inspire others around him. He is the most rounded rugby player in the country. We didn’t make the necessary adjustments when he wasn’t there, we thought we’d do the same things but our execution wasn’t as good.
@ superBul:
I am sorry, but i will not accept lack of motivation as an excuse.
You really think that after last year, the springboks do not have the motivation to prove that all the reasons given for the All Blacks’ poor Tri Nations last year was not a fluke.
They had injuries, they had two away games etc.
Man if I was John smit, I would say to my men, boys this is our time to turn the tables, and prove once and for all we are back.
Thank goodness is not Ricky..
http://www.keo.co.za/2010/08/16/hougaard-to-fill-du-preezs-boots/
“Francois Hougaard will start against the All Blacks and perform a similar role to that of Fourie du Preez.
Du Preez watched from the stands as the Springboks trained at Hyde Park High School on Monday. The Boks’ premier player is sidelined for a year, Ruan Pienaar is also unavailable through injury and Ricky Januarie is struggling for form and fitness.
Judging by the way the Boks lined up on the training pitch, Hougaard is being viewed as the solution. He will partner flyhalf Morne Steyn as the Boks look to implement their kick-chase strategy this Saturday.
Other changes should see Gio Aplon at fullback with Juan de Jongh joining Jean de Villiers in midfield. JP Pietersen is also set for his first Test start in 2010.
Lock Danie Rossouw didn’t train with his team-mates, as he’s still recovering from the hip flexor injury he incurred last week. Rossouw practiced his running on Monday and according to the Bok medical team has made significant progress. He’s expected to be named in the starting side.
Two Bulls players who featured in the brutal Currie Cup contest against Western Province are unlikely to be considered for the match 22. Bok team doctor Craig Roberts told this website that Dewald Potgieter (neck whiplash) and Zane Kirchner (twisted knee) will be monitored in the next 24 hours before a final call is made.
Roberts also confirmed he is yet to receive any information regarding Frans Steyn’s injury. The Racing Metro-based player arrived in South Africa last Thursday after undergoing a scan to assess the seriousness of his leg injury. The results of that scan are yet to be released from the French club.”
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