Almal kla altyd oor provinsies wat spelers koop en steel by ander provinsies, maar kyk ‘n bietjie wie speel deesdae waar..
Hieronder volg ‘n stukkie interessante statistiek van al die spelers wat in Saterdag se Currie Beker Finaal gaan speel. Julle sal oplet dat slegs 3 spelers in beide spanne “born and raised” in hul onderskeie provinsies is. Vir die Bulls is dit slegs Fourie Du Preez, Pierre Spies en Victor Matfield wat in BlouBul land gebore is en daar skool gegaan het en vir die Cheetahs is dit slegs Heinrich Brussow, Adriaan Strauss en Wian du Preez.
Kyk gerus ook hoeveel spelers wat in die SuidKaap (WP, Boland en SWD) gebore is of skoolgegaan het speel Saterdag in die finaal.
Blue Bulls:
Zane Kirchner: born – George (South Western Districts); school – PW Botha (South Western Districts)
François Hougaard: born – Paarl (Western Province); school – Paul Roos (Western Province)
Jaco Pretorius: born – Johannesburg (Golden Lions); school – Randburg (Golden Lions)
Wynand Olivier: born – Welkom (Griffons); school – Affies (Blue Bulls)
Bryan Habana: born – Johannesburg (Golden Lions); school – KES (Golden Lions)
Morné Steyn: born – Bellville, Cape Town (Western Province); school – Sand du Plessis, Bloemfontein (Free State)
Fourie du Preez: born – Pretoria (Blue Bulls); school – Affies (Blue Bulls)
Pierre Spies: born – Pretoria (Blue Bulls); school – Affies (Blue Bulls)
Dewald Potgieter: born – Port Elizabeth (Eastern Province); school – Daniël Pienaar, Uitenhage (Eastern Province)
Deon Stegmann: born – Cradock (Eastern Province); school – Grey College (Free State)
Victor Matfield: born – Polokwane (previously Pietersburg) (Blue Bulls); school – Pietersburg (Blue Bulls)
Bakkies Botha: born – Newcastle (KwaZulu Natal); school – HTS Vereeniging (Valke)/HTS Middelburg (Mpumalanga)
Werner Kruger: born – Kemptonpark (Valke); school – Kemptonpark (Valke)
Derick Kuün: born – Johannesburg (Golden Lions); school – Affies (Blue Bulls)
Gürthro Steenkamp: born – Paarl (Western Province); school – Paarl Boys’ High (Western Province)
Bandise Maku: born – King William’s Town (Border); school – Dale (Border)
Rossouw de Klerk: born – Vredenburg (Boland); school – Paarl Gim (Western Province)
Danie Rossouw: born – Sabie (Mpumalanga); school – Rob Ferreira (Mpumalanga)
Pedrie Wannenburg: born – Nelspruit (Mpumalanga); school – Oakdale (South Western Districts)
Heini Adams: born – Worcester (Boland); school – Esselen Park, Worcester (Boland)
Burton Francis: born – Paarl (Western Province); school – Klein Nederburg, Paarl (Western Province)
Gerhard van den Heever: born – Bloemfontein (Free State); school – Affies (Blue Bulls)
Free State Cheetahs:
Hennie Daniller: born – Cape Town (Western Province); school – Paarl Gim (Western Province)
Lionel Mapoe: born – Port Elizabeth (Eastern Province); school – Fichardtpark, Bloemfontein (Free State)
Corné Uys: born – Bredasdorp (Boland); school – Bredasdorp (Boland)
Meyer Bosman: born – Bethlehem (Griffons); school – Oakdale (South Western Districts)
Danwel Demas: born – Paarl (Western Province); school – New Orleans, Paarl (Western Province)
Jacques-Louis Potgieter: born – Pretoria (Blue Bulls); school – Affies (Blue Bulls)
JP Joubert: born – Port Elizabeth (Eastern Province); school – Framesby, Port Elizabeth (Eastern Province)
Ashley Johnson: born – Wynberg, Cape Town (Western Province); school – Paarl Gim (Western Province)
Frans Viljoen: born – Ficksburg (Griffons); school – Grey College (Free State)
Heinrich Brüssow: born – Bloemfontein (Free State); school – Grey College (Free State)
David de Villiers: born – Johannesburg (Golden Lions); school – Empangeni (KwaZulu Natal))
Nico Breedt: born – Johannesburg (Golden Lions); school – Kearsney (KwaZulu Natal))
WP Nel: born – Loeriesfontein (Boland); school – Drostdy, Worcester (Boland)
Adriaan Strauss: born – Bloemfontein (Free State); school – Grey College (Free State)
Wian du Preez.: born – Bloemfontein (Free State); school – Grey College (Free State)
Richardt Strauss: born – Pretoria (Blue Bulls); school – Grey College (Free State)
Coenie Oosthuizen: born – Potchefstroom (Leopards); school – Grey College (Free State)
Izak van der Westhuizen: born – Kimberley (Griquas); school – Diamantveld, Kimberley (Griquas)
Kabamba Floors: born – Oudtshoorn (South Western Districts); school – Morestêr, Oudtshoorn (South Western Districts)
Tewis de Bruyn: born – Hoopstad (Free State); school – Grey College (Free State)
Louis Strydom: born – Welkom (Griffons); school – HTS Welkom (Griffons)
Fabian Juries: born – Grahamstown (Eastern Province); school – Kingswood (Eastern Province)
Stats verky vanaf rugby365.com
17 – VanStraaten
Yip, It is sad we are losing some great players. Barritt will play for England too. Sharks could have done with him this year for sure. We need centres.
We will lose more and not just senior players but the youngsters that have not played for Boks that will turn out for Wallabies and Damn maybe All Blacks that would give me a heart attack…..hahaha. Don’t want to lose players to our greatest rivals.
We have to look after them. The only way is players HAVE to be selected on merit. Always.
24@ Karlientjie – I sent you a mail with a photo of me and Handbriekie on the RED CARPET on Monday… did you get it?
I clean up really nicely, hey??
Bwahahaha
Who wants to see handsome GBS in a suit??
#30 Yip I read about him…..bloody convicts, hulle moet ons kinners uitlos, dis ons rugby mag!!!!!
#11 Van,
Joe might be born in Bloem but something happened to the guy while he’s been down here in Skelmbos, ’cause the man didn’t miss a single one of our blues gigs at Manoushe Lebanese Cafe last year.
He either really digs the blues, or had an eye on one of the waitresses. If you want my objective opinion, I reckon its the former. 😉
#32 🙁 nou hoekom het ek dit nie ook gekry nie!!!!!
#32..Is daai ‘n Blou aandpakkie met sukke blou balle wat onder uithang GBS?..
#34 definately must be!!!! hehehehehe, what is your bands name?
#36 nee die blou ballas hang agter op sy bakkie…..jy weet mos 😆
32 – Hey, look at that!! Yeah dead handsome….Handbrieke looks very classy there too!!
Our man from Rugby-Talk hits the red carpet!!
Hi Carol………long time no chat
KingPaul
In the WP squad on their site, the following players were NOT born in the western cape:
Mujati
Toomua
Chavanga
Brok
Schalk
Wikus Blaauw
Deon Fourie
Shimange
Schalk Brits
Tiaan Liebenberg
Fondse
AJ
JAck
Duanne
Pieter Myburg
Schalk Burger
Grant
Welsh
Bobo
Paul Bosch
Sireli
Human
Jantjies
Percy
Joe P
The following players were born in the Cape, but made there name somewhere else:
Van Zyl
Lobberts
Ricky
De Waal
Des fountain
In total = 30 players.
You can not go on where someone was born. I mean, Schalk Burger was born in PE, but I would NEVER consider him anything but WP!
Some look at where players were born, others where they went to school, uni etc. to manipulate their point of view.
I look at where a player made his provincial debut, but even that is debatable.
We should just accept players WILL move between unions.
From birth, right through to their proffesional career.
Sometime I like it, example Habana joining the Bulls from the Lions, and sometimes I hate it, example Habana leaving for WP.
Best to accept is us quickly as possible, although is not easy…hehe
No point in really discussing it, as it depends on WHEN EXACTLY do you regard a player as “a player of your province”.
35@ Tripples – Flok, ek vra dan, wie wil GBS in ‘n suit sien…
Durf ek dit waag om die pic hier op die COMMENTS te plaas of gaan ek honderde stalkers lok??
30 – Polla
There will be more going. Especially because of the S15. Those Aussies will be here to scout like crazy. It will be our youngsters they will want as they will want them to not only play in Super Rugby but for Wallabies.
Need to keep our youngsters here at all costs. How did we lose Frans Steyn at the age of 22 to play for Metro in France? DAMN BUGGER ME that really gets my blood boiling. Even if he left Sharks and went to another union it would have been fine with me but to lose him from Bok rugby is just a damn shame. PdV has to open it up a bit for overseas players. Maybe allowing to select 2 only and keep selecting Frans at FB. If he selects more than 2 then we will have a 50 or so going tomorrow to play in NH.
Wish the Rand was as strong as the Euro or pound. None would leave. Sun, braai great beaches they would stay.
Money is drawing them that is why Aussie will get the youngsters. They have the same sort of lifestyle there that we have here but of course they don’t have the money the NH clubs do.
#34..Fender, Joe’s cousin get’s him all his dates!..she’s Jenna Pietersen, the SA Sports Illustrated swimsuit model of a year or two ago and currently hot property in Europe…I know this coz I work with her dad!
van Straaten @11
Joe is from Vryheid in Natal, went to Pioneer High there, til Std 8.
Only saw CT when he were drafted by Maties.
KP, Morne grew up in Bloemfontein (left CT aged 2), schooled at Sand du Plessis, where he partnered Ruan til Std 9 ( when Ruan moved over to Grey).
These stats mean sweet ‘Fanny Adams’, btw.
GBS, happy anniversary on Monday bru, I am having mine in Swakopmund this time!
You and I have stuck it out well with the good ladies, keep going…..
Congrats on Nov 2nd to Handbriekie as well.
Ok boys, later in the year we will talk again, I am on a standover here in the Singapore rain, not too bad, walked the greens a bit at the Barclays Open to kill some time, waiting for a connection to the RSA…
Cheers all.
8# Kingpaul
Ek sien enige unie, behalwe die groot 5, as n “feeder” unie. n Speler gaan nie n Bok sommer word as hy vir die Valke, Griffons of Boland speel nie. As WP n speler van Boland kry, sien ek dit nie as ander unie se “koop” nie. Net so as n speler van die Valke bv Bulle toe gaan.
40 – Tripples, hello ‘sister’ liked the ‘Bad Boy’ conversation you had with Treehugger, gave me a chuckle!!
Ja GBS, plaas die foto dat ons kan sien aangesien ons nie een van jou inner circle is wat dit per mail kry nie 😉
#47 was fun, ‘some people’ disappeared once TH and I got going hehehehehe as I said only bad boys when mommy is not around 😉
Supa
Dis waaroor die hele artikel gaan, indien jy dit gemis het. Dit gaan nie hier oor wat in die WP aangaan of by die Bulle of Griffons of wie ook al nie. Dis ‘n profesionele era, en spelers gaan speel waar hulle die meeste geld kan kry. Dis hoekom ek die ertikel geplaas het, want Saterdag se spanne wys dat elke provinsie gevoed word deur spelers van oor die hele land, en dis ook hoekom ek nog steeds wil weet hoekom ons ouens OK is daarmee dat Europese spanne gepak is met SA spelers, maar dan ons neuse optrek as daar oorsese spelers hier kom speel?
#34 Tripples,
I put a fun little 3-piece together that allowed us to swop instruments continuously (guitars, drums, bass, vocals, harmonica etc) and called it Parys Hillbilly and the Happy Endings.
It was great fun, Tripples and the people that saw us enjoyed the concept almost more than what we did – which I thought was actually damn unfair of them!
45: Middag Feiteman !
45@ Pietman – Flok, thanks for reminding me………. otherwise I would have been in the kakkas…
The late GBS Maximus would have been 80 on Sunday…. I miss him !
GBS hoe lank is jy en handbriekie getroud? ek en my man sal Desember 22 jaar anniversary hou
#41 I would regard a player from my province one that was schooled there rather than born there. It’s at school that your love for the game develops and where you develop your initial skills and where he gives his first steps at Provincial level, either at u/16 or u/19 level. By that time the school/province already invested some time and money in the player.
41 – Supa,
I regard a player as part of my province as soon as he signs with the union. Hernandez is from Argie and I think of him as a Shark now. That is the professional era that does that.
Otherwise if it does not stand. Then give us BAKKIES back……hehehe. He is a son of Natal….. 😆
Really though for me it is where you went to school, like if you had children now in the UK they would go to school there speak with a British accent and they would consider themselves Brits. Well that sort of thing. They pick up the accent the way of life where they got to school.
#44 Polla
So you agree with me then; the boy from Bloem was there for the blues, hehe!!
#53 Shame GBS, ons voel met jou……..
#51 Sounds awesome Fender…I Loooove the blues
50: KP, ons gee nie om as ons oorsese lande se rugby verswak nie, laat hul dit doen as hul wil. Maar ons moet nie ons plaaslike talent vermors deur oorsese ouens in te voer nie. Volgende jaar moet julle vir Noki bo Habana speel, omdat Noki se kontrak nog nie verby is nie …
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