From News 24
Jaque Fourie does not have a standard players contract with the Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) and that is just one of the reasons he believes his agreement with the union is not binding. He is also believed to be tired of having to play above himself to carry the Lions along with a handful of team-mates, and is said to be tired of the losing culture of the union. Fourie wants to leave the Lions to join Western Province, so that he can play for the Stormers next year.
Arbitration in the dispute between Fourie and the GLRU ended in Johannesburg on Tuesday, but a finding is only expected early next week. Information at Sport24’s disposal suggests that Fourie has a strong case.
The collective agreement between the South African Rugby Players’ Association (Sarpa) and the South African Rugby Employers Organisation (Sareo) determines that rugby unions must enter into agreements with players on standard players contracts.
Sports24 revealed the following:
-Fourie does not have a standard players contract with the union. He did, however, enter into an agreement with them on August 11, 2008.
– Sareo already on June 26, 2008 sent the standard players contract and new collective agreement to rugby unions, and there was no reason for the GLRU to not apply it to Fourie.
– The agreement that Fourie reached with the GLRU does not stipulate his remuneration for the second year of the so-called contract. Furthermore, the terms of his remuneration such as allowances, deductions, match fees and bonuses have not been filled in.
– Fourie’s contract with the GLRU indicates that he has been appointed as a “professional analyst” and not a rugby player.
The Springbok centre believes his relationship with the GLRU has broken down because he was prevented from joining French club Clermont earlier this year and his salary for next season was not revised.
Fourie apparently followed grievance procedures, but talks with Lions chief executive Manie Reyneke and union consultant Jake White did not solve the problems.
He is tired of the losing culture at the union, which is preventing him from reaching his professional, personal and financial goals.
Sarpa chief executive Piet Heymans called on rugby unions and player agents to use the standard players contract.
“All the parties have to do on the standard players contract is to fill in the remuneration and the term. The rest is determined by a broad process of negotiations between Sarpa and Sareo. The provinces should take cognisance of the collective agreement, of which the standard contract is an attachment,” said Heymans.
Sport24 has learned that six Lions players do not have standard contracts. Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik are also among them. Both have offers from the Sharks.
@isigidi – 😀
55@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Bwahaaha! Ek hoor Rassie was laasweek by Babbelbekkies kleuterskool in Johannesburg. Hy wil nou ouens vasteken voor hy dit deur hofsake moet doen.
56@Karen –
Totsiens Karen, loop maar versigtig of Rassie bied jou n kontrak aan!
@Karen – Speel hulle Newlands Rules Saterdag?
Jy weet, n mode parade.
Rob H.
But did he deserve a stellar, eight- or nine-out-of-10 individual rating in overall terms? A niggling part of me was determined to proceed with judgmental caution.
We saw a lot of “flash” from the No 5, after all, and while several of his sprinting sortees were undoubtedly easy on the eye and valuable to his side, you also have to consider the bigger picture.
Province, after all, lost the match – a rather key fact. And they lost it, in many respects, because they were taken a little by surprise by the collective muscle and endeavour of a Lions pack featuring few luminary names but a praiseworthy, get-down-and-dirty, all-hands-to-the-pump ethic.
To a moderate extent, the much-vaunted, supposedly resurgent WP scrum got a come-uppance, bulldozers like Willem Alberts made forceful yards for the Lions in the tight-loose and Bekker’s presence also wasn’t enough to prevent the visitors losing some lineouts off their own throw.
It is probably too simplistic and possibly even statistically unfair – coaches love to throw bamboozling figures at you when they’re indignant about your assertions – to suggest that Bekker spent too much time loitering in the backline.
This might be deemed an indignity … a bit like castigating a fireman for directing traffic past the fire engine while his colleagues battled a mushrooming flame-front.
But it wasn’t the first time, even if the perception may be cruelly exaggerated, that Bekker probably made himself susceptible to charges of his favouring linking up with the three-quarters to earthier, more primary tasks in the engine room.
Was it a coincidence that, with Bekker back in the second row and the uncompromising Chris Jack now a fading memory, Province couldn’t get their previously machine-like eight-man shove or rolling maul working very smoothly at Coca-Cola Park?
57@isigidi –
Hy het…maar ek is nie heeldag lus om met n kurkprop rond te stap in die kaap nie.
59@isigidi –
Ja, maar die staples kom amper uit, so K9 moet begin fiks word!
@Supa Die Bloubul – Julle beter FH skrummie begin speel. Julle mors met daai ou op senter, vleuel, vlagman etc. Hy is ‘n moer goeie skrummie en dis waar hy moet speel.
64@The-Pill –
As die Bulle Saterdag in die KAap aankom dan le daar n WP kontrak op elkeen se bed. 😆
68@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Hy is nie beter as FDP nie.
As Jaque moeg is vir n Loser kultuur, hoekom wil hy dan by Province aansluit?
@Supa Die Bloubul – nee…maar hy moet van die bench af kom.
@Supa Die Bloubul – Ek kan hul nie blameer nie.
Ten minste weet hul wie goed is.
@Supa Die Bloubul – maar imagine die dag as hy FdP se skoene moet volstaan, ek sal nie verbaas wees as hy nog even beter gaan wees nie. Veral nou dat hy soveel ekstra visie aanleer.
72@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Die ding is FDP speel 80min. So of Hougaardt speel vleuel en kry gametime vir 60-80min, of hy sit op die bank en speel dalk 5min.
Hy het al twee jaar terug klomp s14 games gespeel en hy weet hy is agter FDP in die ry. FDP is die beste skrummie in die wereld.
@superBul – as hy nog daar gaan wees. Julle speel mos heeltyd vir Adams.
74@superBul –
Ek dink ook hy gaan vrek goed wees. Die Bulle moet hom net reg hanteer. Hy kry minstens nou elke week speelkans en dis wat hy wil he. MAar van volgende jaar moet hulle hom speel op 9 as FDP nie kan speel nie.
@Supa Die Bloubul – dan moet hy na ‘n provinsie toe gaan waar hy gametime kry as skrummie.
76@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Dink hy sal nog daar wees. Bulle het hom n kans gegee toe WP nie wou nie. Hy het nou die dag op die bullsite gese hy soek net eers speelkans, maak nie saak waar nie. So hulle het n plan met hom. Kyk hoe lank moes Morne wag en nou is hy tops.
@Supa Die Bloubul – Stem saam, Bulle hou baie van groot skrummies , hierdie is ons man vir die toekoms, ek groet vir eers weer job roep.
Scrummie is die EEN posissie waar jy die meeste veelsydige vaardighede MOET hê.
Dis hoekom Francois Hougaard so goed is in enige posisie in die agterlyn…. maar… mens moet pasop om ‘n ou rond te donner van posisie na posisie.
Ons het mos al gesien wat het gebeur met Brent Russel en Ruan Pienaar… en diesmeer!
@superBul – as jy die beste in ‘n posisie wil word moet jy daar speel. Om visie te kry vanaf senter as jy eintlik ‘n skrummie is help nokkol.
78@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Wel, dis sy besluit as hy dit wil doen. Maar waar? Sharks gaan hom nie bo Kockitt en Pienaar speel nie. Leeus nie bo Jano nie, WP het weer vir Ricky en Dewaldt. Al waar hy kan gaan is dalk Cheetahs. En hy gaan seker minder geld daar kry ook. Waar ookal hy gaan, gaan hy met iemand kompeteer.
@Supa Die Bloubul – cheetahs of WP sy beste kans om baie te speel. Rate nie een van daai twee se skrummies nie.
82@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Hougaardt speel eintlik net scrummie en vleuel. Hyt een game op senter uitgehelp toe ons beserings gehad het.
Bulle het al gereeld scummies op vleuel gespeel. Joost, Conrad Breytenbach ens.
Ek sal graag Hougaardt om scrummie wil sien, maar FDP is eenvoudig beter. Hy kry minstens nou gametime op vleuel en scrummie.
@Supa Die Bloubul – al wat ek sê is soos GBS sê….moenie ‘n ou met talent ronddonner nie. Ons het mos al gesien waar bring dit die ouens.
84@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Ek rate ook nie WP se scrummies nie, maar ons albei WEET Ricky gaan altyd daar in die mix wees en hulle speel Duvenhage ook baie. Hougaardt gaan nie net daar instap en sommer net begin nie. Cheetahs is sy beste roep, maar gaan 10 teen heelwat minder geld kry en hoekom n plek in die s14 span van die Bulle verruil vir n n plek in die Cheetah span? Bulls het minstens n kans om die toernooi te wen volgende jaar.
86@K9-MonsterLeeu –
Nee ek stem saam, maar soos GBS ook se, scrummie moet VEELSYDIGE vaardighede he. Ek probeer net vir jou verduidelik wat is die plan met Hougaardt by die Bulle.
@Supa Die Bloubul – help nie jy is deel van ‘n groep wat goed doen in die s14 en jy speel omtrent nooit nie. Dan speel ek eerder in ‘n span wat dalk minder goed doen en ek speel gereeld. Dis waar jy raakgesien word…….as jy speel.
@Supa Die Bloubul – en ons weet hoe gaan dit met die bulle die jaar nadat hulle die s14 gewen het 😯
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