This is the question on the lips of many, jus who should play No 8 for the Bokke?
In South Africa the debate is still continuing over who is our premier No 8.
Obviously everyone has their favourite when it comes to the player that should be the link between the forwards and the backs, but let’s compare the candidates.
In the past few months Willem Alberts, Duanne Vermeulen, Ryan Kankowski and Pierre Spies have been mentioned as our best No 8’s. Let’s look at them critically and objectively and consider their weak and strong points, if starting in the current Bokke set-up.
Willem Alberts:
The Lions No 8 has been playing good rugby during the Curry Cup and has performed well over the past 12 months or so. Playing in a struggling Lions team Alberts is often used to get his team over the advantage line.
The old Monnas boykie is a strong, powerfull ball carrier who carries two or three defenders with him over the the advantage line. From 5m out, Alberts is very difficult to stop. Being so big and strong makes Alberts win collisions as well.
However, Alberts might just be too slow to be a modern No 8. At Test level rugby is played at the quickest pace and at least one loose forward needs to be as quick as the backs. With Brussouw and Juan Smith playing at 6 and 7 respectively, the Bokke need a pacy No 8. (Brussouw and Smith are both excellent players and have their own fine qualities, but they are not really known to be the quickest around the park. Yes, they are quick enough to run 15m to the next ruck, but often we see Spies, Bakkies, Matfield or Bekker get to the ball first when when a ball is kicked through).
Thus, Alberts won’t fit in the set-up when Brussouw and Smith plays. Also, Alberts is not competitive enough in the line-outs and our Bokke place huge emphasizes on competing in the line-out, from front to back.
Duanne Vermeulen:
The Western Province loose forward has recently made a move from Bloemfontein to the Cape. At the Cheetahs Vermeulen had often been used as No 8, however, since Vermeulen made the move to WP, he has been playing at blindside flank.
Vermeulen likes his rugby hard and tough. He provides the grunt WP needs since they prefer to play the “fetcher” (Luke Watson) at the back of the scrum. Vermeulen is a strong ball carrier and get through loads of work around the field. He doesn’t mind taking contact and often wins the collisions. He can be used as a strong line-out option at the back of the line-out. He also makes turnovers every now and then.
He has been playing consistently good rugby the past few years, although he has been injured for the first part of the CC.
With Duanne Vermeulen not getting game-time at No 8 it’s difficult to compare him to the other No 8’s objectively. He did well when playing at the back of the scrum at the Cheetahs, but that was almost a year ago. Can we still judge him on that performance?
Although he is a strong line-out option, he doesn’t compete enough on opposing ball. Like Alberts, Vermeulen is not nearly as quick as Kanko or Spies around the field. We need a quick No 8, no question.
Vermeulen is a solid option, and won’t let you down, but he does not seem to have that elusive X-factor.
Ryan Kankowski:
The debate between who is better, between Kanko and Spies have been continuing for years now. This is probably due to the fact that they are the same “type” of player.
Kankowski has been playing behind Spies in the pecking order during the past year and has mostly warmed the Bokke bench.
When he’s had his chance at Test level before, he has done little to prove that he is better than Spies.
He is playing good rugby at the Sharks, during the CC. Kanko is an explosive runner and his speed is his strong point. He often out-runs the backs and has been involved in many tries, running like a wing.
Kanko is a tall, lean and pacy No 8 who can side-step and he is often used as a 8th backline player. He is also a decent line-out option and quick to pick up and make a run from the back of the scrum.
Although Kanko is tall, he is not the strongest No 8 out there. When the game gets tight he often disappears and he definately prefers an open game. When playing against a strong pack of forwards he struggles to cross the advantage line and is often tackled backwards.
In short, he is a poor man’s Spies.
Pierre Spies:
Pierre Spies has all the attributes which it takes to be the best No 8 in the world. His old coach Heyneke Meyer called him a “frats” (freak), due to the fact that he runs as quick as the fastest backline players, bench presses as much as props and jumps a high as locks.
Spies is our current premier No 8 and would’ve had a World Cup medal, had he not missed the tournament through illness.
So what makes Spies the best?
Spies is an explosive runner like Kankowski and as quick as any back out there. In addition, Spies is strong and gets his team over the advantage line with great success. He is a strong and solid line-out option and has stolen many balls from opposing line-outs.
Give Spies enough space and he will run you ragged. What makes Spies better is the way he reacts in broken play. We often see a wing or centre break through our defence or kick a ball through… who’s behind and covering – Spies. He’s often the first or only one there to save the day. We see the same thing on attack when the opponents have to run back to save a try. Spies will often be there first to make the tackle. With Brussouw and Smith not that quick, we need Spies in the Bokke team.
His obvious weak points lie in 2 factors, his defence and his ability to control ball at the back of a scrum. He often misses the first tackle, something he has obviously worked hard on because it seems to be improving. A classic No 8 has “golden hands” and behind the scrum, he is not always up to scratch. In addition, Pierre is rumoured to disappear in tight games, which has lately proved to be a fallacy.
Spies has that elusive X-factor which makes him special. (I’ve included a link at the bottom which proves why he is feared with his X-factor.) Some believe that Spies is as close as we will get to the perfect No 8.
Playing with Fourie Du Preez regularly at the Bulls, they have a good understanding. Spies, du Preez and Steyn has proved themselves as a winning combination.
@sharky_forever –
Im just kidding with you mate…so jy is nog altyd n piesangboer!
The way spies has been playing what is there to discuss?
He’s the MAN!!!
Cape Town – South Africa’s Mbulaeni Mulaudzi won the men’s 800 metres world title on Sunday.
@bul-a-bhloo – ja ja 😯
http://www.rugby365.com/all_news/sa/news/1880740.htm
Brian Habana oppad WP toe.
Eish
@K9-MonsterLeeu – yes yes 🙂
95@Apoc184 – Interesting… oi !!
@grootblousmile –
Ek het rerig gedink dit is net om meer pay by Bulle te kry.
Dis wat gebeur as jou pa jou agent is.
@Apoc184 – Weepee to get 2 intercept tries and a lot of running in all directions for R2.8mil.
Good luck to them.
I actually think Rassie is going to convert him back to centre.
Just have that feeling.
98@Apoc184 – Oh well, good luck to Habana… except against the Bulls !
@grootblousmile – Exciting you wing you gives have now. That Van Heerden. He is going places if he can stay injury free.
SOrry Van den Heever
Howzit guys, this EDGE signal is frustrating but thought I willpop in! GBS whats the Habana story?
Habana altyd baie aangenaam. Vriendelike mens.
Maar R2.8mil?
Waaneer laas het hy die veld aan die brand gespeel? Hy lyk ordinary langs Mossie, Meisiekind, JdV.
104@AB – Hello Abeltjie, Check die link vroeër gegee… ek wil self nog lees wat aangaan…
Ja wel as dit nou so is dan is dit maar so. Hoop maar die enigste lekker herinderinge wat hy het is as hy terugkyk op You Tube na sy driee in die 2 S14 finale. Nie dat ek hom nie gesondheid toewens nie maar ek wens hom beslis nie n paar driee teen die Bulle toe nie.
PS – Miskien moet die Bulle maar met die geld wat hul spaar vir JP terugkoop/ooreed, sal graag wil sien hoe hy benoude boude kry as JP nader kom. 😆
@Supa Die Bloubul – 16 – Of course we still talk about the 2005 Ashes, nothing else has happened since then!!
Glad Murray did not win Wimbledon, imagine more ‘Murray Mania’ – shudder at the thought! 🙂
@sharky_forever – 86 Allow females on the site, do you think that is wise? 😉
Must have a word with GBS about his admission policy!! 🙂
327 for 7 btw – Those Aussies are feeling the pressure!
@carol – Hope they finish today
@carol – lol hiyas carol 😉
and of course… what would rugby be without the good ladies ?????
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@grootblousmile – On a serious note is Kanko really 2nd best? Alberts knocking on the door for sure.
Sterkte Habana by WP…moet se ek is erg teleurgesteld.
113@bul-a-bhloo – My opinion, Duane Vermeulen is second best No 8 in SA
@grootblousmile – Duane is vir seker net so goed soos Kanko. Moeilike besluit tussen Alberts en Duane.
@bul-a-bhloo – manne jul vergeet darem ja kanko was nie goed op- dreef nie maar moes ook heeltyd op n bank sit? dan kan jy mos nie vowm vind nie reg??
toe in 2 games vir die sharks het hy MOM gekry ….
vyt is dis nie heeltemal regverdig teenoor kanko nie , teen die leeus het hy alberts ore aangesit en is as speler van die wedstryd aangewys
@bul-a-bhloo –
we have such depth it is scary,players know they must take their chances or be yesterday’s good news.
Every coach in the world would have Spies in their side.
the truth is that their is Spies, then miles of nothingness before Spies’ understudy.
At a push, the next best 8 is Van Niekerk.
He’s apparently producing his best stuff in years up in France. He’s still the best passing/linking 8 SA has produced since I started watching.
kanko is vir my n impak speler,gee hom die bal in sy hand met 20min oor en dis nag.
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